Mining profits

[BaconSoda]

I think one of the biggest things I have seen happen is Miner IDs transports pirating other Miner ID'd transports in huge groups. There has been this large movement of players in liberty who stalk the miners and then take their cargo as they start transporting it home. They aren't actual pirates, more just like mining bullies. Police and Navy authorities are slow to do anything usually cause they can never tell who is the real bad guys cause they just look like miners (and sometimes lie in game about what they've been doing). But yeah this is all remedied by hiring escort bombers.

I am surprised I haven't seen any new mining factions grow a lot, or existing corps start creating mining divisions. Those would definitely be willing to hire escorts or have members whose sole duty is protection

I'm not sure if this is a complaint or what, but, I mostly agree with your last two points. If a transport is your problem, get a bomber escort. It's a really simple fix. And how much do you lose by getting a bomber escort? Six to Ten million in an hour? But, wait, you make some 30-40 million, right? Pure greed if you're complaining about pirates but unwilling to solve the RP problem with RP...

And why haven't corps grown? More RP, I say! We need more BMM and IMG in Dublin to help Gateway and BowEx ship more RP goods!

But on your first point about the Miner IDed players, aren't they just engaging in good RP if the police can't tell? I mean, as long as they're smart enough to pirate when Police aren't around, how are the police supposed to tell? It would be like if a Vigilante killed a Planetform with Gaian Wildlife in New London and the trader reported it to my BPA. How am I supposed to know who to believe? There are just two people: A civilian and a guy yelling.

This... and it's becoming quite annoying. It really makes one wonder why the LPI/other liberty authority doesnt have penn locked down, since it's become (or maybe always has been) such a pirate hotspot, especially near Tremont. Guess they have their hands full with all the whackos running around in NY attacking people for no reason OORP.

Annoying is a good word. It's really annoying when a pirate wins, yes, but what are you going to do to stop it? Try making a Merc Bomber and charging people to defend Tremont. The Roc or Havok are both great ships (despite what people say about the Havok). And if they don't want to pay, well, there is always Dublin., Tau-23, Omega-7, or Omega-11 to mine in. There are more places than Pennsylvania.

I'm a trader. A DSE official faction trader and I don't mind being pirated.

Let me say that one more time: I don't mind being pirated.

Here's what I DO have a problem with:

Twice now I have been pirated by players who have IDs that, as far as I can recall, do not allow piracy. One was a Freelancer ID'd player and one was a Miner ID'd player. The ships were questionable as well; one of them pirated me in a GMG transport. Furthermore, while I will admit that it is technically within the rules, I do not consider a demand for ALL my cargo to be reasonable in terms of RP or gameplay in most scenarios (well-RP'd Xenos are a noted exception). In both these instances, these lolpirates demanded ALL of my cargo with only minimal RP.

Furthermore, the contention that most pirates cannot sell the ore themselves is preposterous. Most pirates I've seen were neutral to me and I am green with all lawful Liberty factions and red to all the unlawful ones since I am a DSE transport. Most of the pirates I have seen in Liberty lately have shown white on the scanner. If they are white to me, most likely they can land and sell the ore as well.

In the past, I have interacted with inappropriately ID'd pirates before. I did not report them as I could have. I RPed with them if they showed a willingness to do so. I gave them money as demanded. Only afterwards have I informed the pirate, via PM, that they might want to read their ID closely and make any change they feel are appropriate in case they run into a less understanding player than myself. In those instances, the response from the pirate has been positive.

I like the fact that the new mining system encourages both cooperative and adversarial player interaction in the game. What I don't like is the lolpirate epidemic we seem to be experiencing in Liberty. A system that leads to more player interaction should also lead to more RP. While it would be nice to assume that the former implies the latter, I think we can all see that this is not the case.

I am not sure what the solution is, although I have a few ideas. One suggestion is that as soon as you mount an ID, your reputation is automatically adjusted accordingly.

But pirating by players with the wrong IDs has to stop.

Notice to pirates: If you make a reasonable request and RP with me you will get exactly what you want with very little resistance on my part. However, if you request ALL my cargo, or offer little to no RP, I will refuse and allow you to destroy me, leaving you with scraps.

Why can't everyone have fun?

You see, you're not having fun because you're not conventionally winning. I'm sure the pirates are having fun because they are winning, and from what TYH wrote, they're RPing too. Miner ID can pirate Ore. Read it. GMG Miner, well, that sounds kind of odd, but, maybe it has something to do with their RP? One can always hope...

Please do expand on what you mean by lolpirate epidemic. Specific examples on what exactly makes the pirates in Liberty so much more "lolzy" than pirates elsewhere would be nice. I don't quite get why people keep saying that. I guess they're just applying it to everyone who pirates in a style they don't exactly agree with.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.