Admin Note: Faction right #5

[Dab]

Whether or not you came out and directly said it doesn't make a difference. You are smart enough to know that doing that would put yourselve in a bad posistion. You keep making claims that the Zoners as a whole will do something when you speak only for yourself.

I never denied doing it either. You never asked me until a week after the incident when the Joker brought up the issue, asking why, not who. When it was asked, I responded and admitted to it. Not once did I try to hide it.

Also, please quote where I've spoken on behalf of Zoners as a whole. Preferably in a new thread so this one is not cluttered even more. I eagerly await some evidence to back up the baseless claims made all week.

You can bitch about this being a Zoner issue all you want. The fact stands when this right was announced Corsairs also brought up this exact topic. Many players felt it would be abused. We now have proof that it can be abused if you know the right people and are in the right position to do so.[/size]

How was it abused? It had nothing to do with knowing people. Yes, I have friends who are admins. That doesn't mean they'll do something for me just because they are my friends, nor would I ask them to do something for me just because they are my friends. I personally believe integrity as one of the most important traits of a person, so it makes no sense for me to take an action that is against my ideals. I asked Cannon if I was allowed to make this request. The template asked for the name of the 'faction', so I wasn't sure if CoZ could or not. I asked, he said make a note about it, and submit and the admins would discuss it. I don't know what was said, but apparently they believed either we had the ability to do so, or the Joker had done enough that the rep change was warranted regardless of who brought it up.

Also, insinuating this was done because I know people on the admin team is ludicrous when there are as many people who don't like me as do on the team.

I twisted no ones words. Dab has in SKYPE a number of times threatened to have Saronsen's rep changed. The fact that Dab managed to get Jokers rep changed without a word to the offical Zoner faction leaders or without consent from the majority of the Council only shows it was done due to Dab's posistion. Any normal player would have been told no, to ask a offical faction to do it.

I threatened Saronsen after he said he'd just keep his Juggernaut if the Zoners decided to take it from him. Keep in mind, this is what the Zoner FACTIONS wished to do. I instead took a more relaxed approach and put him on probation. If the Council of Zoners also called for his ship to be given away, or him set hostile to Zoners if he refused, then we'd have all three factions and the Council asking for the same thing. Any of the four could have done it. I would not have said we could rep him hostile if the factions didn't make it clear they were willing to take that approach themselves already.

On the Joker issue several people in the Council had already stated that he is hostile and that they would attack him if they see him. He was already hostile to the Council at that point. I then requested a rep fix to make him hostile to the Zoner NPCs as well considering he was threatening to blow up Zoner stations. This seemed a logical choice. I didn't make that choice 'because I could', I made it because it was the logical outcome of such a threat. When you yell 'bomb' on an airplane, you're going to jail.. The cop doesn't just stand around and glare at you until the bomb actually goes off. Several players, Zoner and non-Zoner, admin and non-admin, have said this to you already.. The admins didn't make the decision just because I asked, but because the roleplay the Joker was using justified the decision.

Also, you've been twisting my words since this whole thing started, once you got into the ZA you've been doing so. Take a look at all your posts, then look at mine with an unbiased and unprejudiced view. As McNeo said; You are taking what I say the way you want to take it, not taking it the way I meant it.

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