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Offline LancerZero
03-23-2010, 09:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-23-2010, 09:16 PM by LancerZero.)
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I'm going to try to summarize the thread, and why I disagree. I'm not going to bother trying to convince anybody of anything, because it seems opinions are somewhat set in the matter. I'm just going to state the way things are - as I see them, which of course is, as anybody's vision is, somewhat faulty - and why I think what I think. I don't particularly care one way or the other...I don't really intend to make a Colonial anyway. But some of the assumptions and attitudes displayed in here bother me - particularly the outright hostility - so I feel the need to say a few things. And yes, I've read through all ten pages.

1. CR doesn't want to be subject to the same mix of lolwutters and awesome people every other faction (except the easily abused ones) are because it will tarnish their image. I fail to see how the assortment of indies other factions deal with every day could be worse than the regular firestorms CR already endured back in the day for being a literal BSG import. Also of note is the wide variety of utterly great independents I've run into. Varyag, for instance, was a Hessian indie cruiser who regularly helped us out in the RHA when I was here before. He's a talented cruiser pilot, and a good RPer whose contributions I was always grateful for. We offered him a spot in the RHA, and he declined, but continued being an overall asset and stalwart ally. The RHA would have suffered as an organization without the regular contributions of great indies like him.

2. CR doesn't want to risk any indies "messing with the story"...which is really a strange fear, seeing as the interactions that take place every day in the Taus _should already be_ messing with the story. Things change, and people/factions don't always act the way you expect/want them to. They surprise you sometimes, they act on their own initiative, and thus become a living part of the story. Like Sprolf has said, that's part of roleplaying in a community...other people get to play, too, and not always just exactly how you say they should. Makes things more interesting, anyway. Nothing wrong with stories/biographies, but when the story in question is of an entire faction, a nation, in a hotly contested part of Sirius...I really don't think it should be a solo affair.

3. CR fears that a horde of lolwut PvP whores in CR caps will inevitably ensue, raping Alpha on a daily basis. They compare the CR ID restriction to the fact that the SCRA and Phantom IDs are restricted...which is really extremely silly, considering how the SCRA and Phantom IDs have few restrictions as to who can fight what, whereas the CR ID is very similar to all other lawful IDs. It's not something that is any more open for abuse than any other lawful ID, and considerably less so than, say, the BHG or indie Pirate/Freelancer IDs.

That, and Tau-23 is a battleground in part because the CR is there, trying to block off a system that is an integral part of the Outcasts' cardi run to the western half of Sirius (if I'm mistaken in this, then I apologize). The systems are small and undeveloped because they weren't intended to house this much activity...KNF and QCP and IMG and Zoners and CR and OC and GC and random traders/miners all play in this little sandbox...making the CR ID open to indies wouldn't change much of anything in that regard. I really don't think you'd get very many people that weren't already participants in the Taus in some form.

4. CR is the sole creation of its authors and as such, they feel they should have total control over it all. I've yet to hear a single _good_ reason as to why this should be so. I understand the feeling "This is my/our baby, I don't want anybody screwing it up"...but by bringing it into the Disco community, they make it a part of Sirius, a part of the background of Discovery...and, imho, lose the right to control every aspect with an iron fist. It's like a parent giving their son/daughter a car for their 16th birthday, but never letting them drive it alone, and only to certain destinations. By bringing it to the community, I feel you have something of a responsibility to let go and actually permit the community to participate in it.../without/ such direct oversight as being in an official faction entails.

5. The absurd idea that the CR ID shouldn't become freely available until all the other restricted IDs are. This should be obviously ridiculous, but some seem to be taking it seriously. Phantoms can attack anything, anywhere, anytime, essentially; as can Terrorists and Keepers and Wilde. SCRA can do almost as much, since almost everybody in Sirius is their enemy. This is not at all the case with the CR, so the idea that this is somehow a more dangerous ID to be in the hands of indies than your run-of-the-mill IDs is bogus.

One point I do concede: Colonial NPCs should be out of the guard system as well, and maybe even convert Java to CR instead of IMG, even if only because it's kinda hard to get rep if you can't double-bribe or do missions. Otherwise, the CR ID would be impossible to get without an admin, anyway.

Now, a brief set of disclaimers, so hopefully nobody will be thinking I just want the CR to burn in a fire. Props to the CR for:

1. Being fighter-centric. This is, in my opinion, what most factions ought to be.
2. Teaching the newbies, even the painfully inexperienced ones. I know from experience (little, but some) how difficult this can be - and how rewarding.
3. Rewriting their entire story to fit better with Disco's version of Sirius. I was suitably impressed upon my return to Disco when I discovered that this had happened.
4. Being generally a good set of people. I like and respect the vast majority of you that I've met, and likewise, have found you lot to be generally good RPers, as well.
5. I understand where you're coming from. I won't go into a long-winded explanation in addition to this already TL;DR post, but suffice to say I've had my share of trying to hold onto the reigns of a years-long story with an iron fist to prevent anybody from "messing with it" (not on Disco). It's hard to let your baby go, to put it partially in the hands of total strangers - some of whom you may not like. But I've found that if you don't, it just winds up static, noninteractive, and, well...boring.

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Colonial Remnant ID - by Bobthemanofsteel - 03-21-2010, 08:44 AM
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Colonial Remnant ID - by CzeReptile - 03-21-2010, 09:33 AM
Colonial Remnant ID - by Bobthemanofsteel - 03-21-2010, 09:34 AM
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