The Liberty Special Activities Service

[n00bl3t]

Sorry, but "just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen" isn't a great argument when you're talking about a faction in a game.

Furthermore, none of this was bashing, and I'm not saying =LSF= is "doing it wrong." Not sure where that came from.

In the end, I guess the take-home message from =LSF= shouldn't be "lol, we're already doing it, n00b" and something more along the lines of "maybe we're going about it wrong, even if 'doing' it right."

I'm not giving up on this idea since I don't really see how =LSF= "doing it right" should equate "doing it without anyone else knowing we do it."

That said, the =LSF= has some of the best message dumps in the game. They're always through and knowledgeable.

I dunno. I suppose removing the =LSF= tags on ships will help avoid metagaming, and thus the lolfleet ganking in Berlin (for example), but it does seem to be less planned out and more on-your-own basis. I'd love to be in the =LSF=, since that's the kind of stuff I like to do most in FL, but haven't really thought to apply to it.

If you guys swear to doing all this and more in-game, and that "doing it right" means I won't know about it, I guess I've got nothing to argue about and just have to trust you. It shouldn't be like that, but that's another debate not for here.

Well, it is the truth. Right now, we are seeking to inform, if we were seeking to argue, I think there would be more shredding going on.

Well, when you say the =LSF= is not doing something, and you want to try to fill that niche, when we are already are doing it, it seems like an accusation of incompetence, that would be where the "bashing" ideal came from. (Not to mention, our faction feedback got nailed with the same sort of thing, except what exactly they wanted was contradictory and unrealistic in practical terms.)

Apart from that, our message dump gets used for some stuff. (However, even that gets meta-gamed. "This is Alaska, right lol? We send info Rheinland.")

Join up, get into the right division, and see how it is. Perhaps you can suggest tips from inside that will help us?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.