Marbur Wrote:::sigh:: time for you to bottle off & troll flood kiddo
I gave you an opportunity to stand on higher ground, but you effed up & tripped again.
Anyone have any better arguments that have legs enough that don't buckle early on into stupid grammar nazi'ing?
I thought you asked for peoples opinions.
Why dont you discuss what I say if you disagree, instead of using set phrases that hold no content and trying to discredit a person to discredit their argument if they disagree.
And what I said was not grammar nazi-ing. I dont pay much attention to grammar and spelling much myself, because its a silly thing to do, especially on a forum where people with different native tongue post.
But whether you say Iraq for Iran and antidote instead of anecdote, it completely changes the meaning of what you say.
Nauticus Wrote:@The_Scarlet_Pimpernel: At first I thought you were just trying fiercely to state your opinion (which is different from the opinions of 80% of the people who have posted in this thread), but ignoring those truthful 80% and yabbing on despite what's put in front of you does not do you any good and makes you lose your reputation...or at least the rep of this forum account of yours.
First of all, my opinion doesnt differ from 80% of the people that posted.
I think that anyone can be a Gaian, as long as they want to preserve a planets, and especially Gaias, natural biosphere.
But the Gaians were formed by Bretonian researchers, are based in Bretonia, and their main goal is to change something that is happening in Bretonian space (the destruction of GaiaS environment, in Edinburough, hence the name Gaian).
Therefore, not every person that wants to join the Gaian cause must be a Bretonian, but its natural to assume that most of them are Bretonians.
About me ignoring your arguments, I have given arguments that counter yours, but Marburg has not given any arguments that counter mine, and has preferred to use set phrases and personal insults instead of replying to what Im actually saying.
About my reputation, I dont really care so much what reputation I have with you, as long as you are more interested in furthering your point with this sort of tactic.
Quote:I recommend you start playing a Gaian, think of a background story, play with that story in mind, and play it GOOD. You'll get the grasp of it and I'm sure your views on the cultural & patriotic grasp will change.
Im not saying Gaians have to be overly patriotic or nationalistic, Im saying that Gaians have more ties to any other house through their background, due to their background and where they are situated. I see no reason for the original founders of the Gaians to sever all emotional ties with Bretonia or Bretonian culture because their citizenship has been revoked and they are considered outlaws in Bretonia. Of course your Gaian can if you want it that way, or your Gaian can come from another house. However, cultural heritage is not something you can get rid of easily even if you try very hard. Its not only about allegiance or what you try to be, its also about language, dialects, habbits, values, family ties, friends you had, and ways of thinking that you have, which are passed on from generation to generation. You cant get rid of those unless you have something to replace it.
Quote:A very good example for all the fuss about pertaining original culture: AMERICA. The colonists came from other countries, yet does the majority of today's Americans pertain the original culture of their ancestors who moved there long ago? I beg to differ.
America is not a good example to compare to Gaians. Americans left their countries to start a new life elsewhere. They didnt do it to preserve nature or to push a political agenda in their home nations, not in the least. Furthermore (but its really beside the point because the two are totally different), what we call American culture is very similar to that of the English, Germans, Irish and other large groups that formed the USA. The culture is a direct derivative of it. From the perspective of an Arab or African, they are almost identical, or what is called western civilization. Many people completely gave up their original culture, but it was because they assimilated into the large already existing culture. Their culture wouldnt have changed so quickly if they werent forced to adapt to the dominant culture, it didnt change by itself. And a lot of Americans actually do practice the culture and heritage of their forefathers, in great diversity, in many ways.
If you were to compare the situation of American settlers its more comparable to Zoners. They leave houses to look for better fortune in the wild, unlike the Gaians who want to preserve the wild.
Gaians are a small eco-terrorist faction originating and based in Bretonia, not a large group of refugees or settlers or soldiers of fortune like the first Americans (or the Zoners). You might want to RP yours like that, but its not in any way what the original faction was about.
Quote:* The original Gaians were largely BRETONIAN roots, (a fragment of them could have been from other houses, you know, students studying and scientists working abroad)
* The original Gaians, as all the others that followed, had their citizenships revoked because of being eco-terrorists and enemies of the Crown
Agreed. But having your citizenship revoked doesnt change your cultural heritage.
Quote:* Gaians born on stations have NO ties to the Bretonian government and no grasp of Bretonian culture besize what their parents/grandparents had told them
No direct ties to the government obviously, but you cant really not have a grasp of Bretonian culture unless they were severed from their parents and grown up in a totally different already existing culture. And by culture I mean language and way of thinking, not love of nature and hate of pollution or what their parents tell them about the government.
Quote:* Gaians from a nationality point of view are MULTINATIONAL - many in their ranks are Kusarians, former Corsairs, etc etc.
Also agreed. But the vast majority are of Bretonian descent.
Quote:So no, we are not Bretonian. We are Gaian.
That would be if Gaia was a nation. I realize you want to turn it into one, but in Freelancer its not a nation but a group of eco-terrorists with environmentalist goals. That doesnt match the requirements for being a nation or culture. You can always call it that, but to me it wont be much different than a hippie claiming he is not British or German or American but part of the flower children nation. To me they are still British/German/American in the core, even if they are trying to be something else.