Gaians are not 'Bretonian' anymore

[The_Scarlet_Pimpernel]

If I had a nickel for every time that I've stated over the years things akin to "I don't wanna step on people's toes that want to play their gaians vanilla-style" I'd not have to work for a living.

Lets see

Gaians are not 'Bretonian' anymore,

You say Gaians are not Bretonian anymore, and dont say not all Gaians are Bretonians or not all Gaians feel as Bretonian.

Thats asking people who RP as Bretonian Gaians (which is vanilla, I think we agree) to stop RPing as Bretonians and adopt your vision of Gaians. Its not asking for them to accept it that you RP according to your vision, its telling other people that Gaians are no longer as in vanilla, they can now no longer consider themselves Bretonians or side with Bretonians.

You justify this with:

I can (& will probably make walls of text being specific) but an easy way to explain my stance is that imo, a Gaian that sides with bretonia is akin to an american colonist that sides with britian 70 years after the revolution & winning their independence.

Americans may have started in Europe, but they are not european anymore ie- Gaians are Gaians, not bretonian

Here, you say that a Gaian who considers himself Bretonian or siding with Bretonia is acting like some kind of traitor, and use USA vs Britain for comparison. Again your are not merely justifying your own feelings, you are making the statement general for all Gaians.

I already commented on your comparison with the USA, so you know that apart form the fact that you are using an antidote er anecdote (;)lil joke, not meant to be "nazi'ing" but reminding you of something you wanted to say about anecdotes ) from a quite different situation which I think is not really a good comparison, you are also applying this as a standard to all Gaians, not just yours.

Don't misunderstand Magoo...I'm not trying to dictate to anyone how to play their Gaian I just want people to say their piece & invite logical reasons why they would support a hostile government

You would have earned a nickel here. But maybe you actually were stepping on other peoples toes in the above quotes, even if you say you dont want to.

Your second invitation asking for people opinion is really friendly. However, when I made comparisons with situations of political dissent between individuals and their governments (again I would like to point out that the question of Gaians protecting Gaias environment is an internal Bretonian political issue), instead of the American colonization and independence (neither of which is anywhere near the goal of the Gaians, for Gaia), you reaction was not very friendly, but rather rude.

You, for example seem to on the surface, limit your imagination to vanilla as it were a bible of some sort. Trust me, it's not.

Not a bible, but a guideline and base for discovery RP. I dont ask that nothing new is added, nor that people cant introduce new things in their RP, but what you are doing is asking people to change a factions RP according to your ideas that Gaians can somehow be compared to uhm the history of your own country? Come on man

The point of threads like these is to try & get people to RP a shallow filler faction (which the Gaians were made to be) with more depth. I never demand in any way that they follow my ideas, but I encourage it cause I'm argueably the biggest gaian cheerleader this community has ever seen.

Question: Do you play a Gaian yourself Pimp?

You ever try to break a mold with 'im?

Let me tell ya, it's extremely difficult when you work for a living all the while understanding that many, many people can't be bothered to read extensive RP background of a minor faction with little going for it vanilla-wise.

I had a Gaian Cambridge university dropout for a while, but I killed her and stripped her ship for cash because I wanted to spend more time elsewhere.
Telling you about how much detail my characters have and whether I know their electricity bill and whether Im a big cheerleader or not would indeed be a pissing contest, and its not really on topic either.

Can you say that you have such an understanding of your character that you know everything about his/her environment up to such mundane day to day things such as the structure of the stations air reclamation system or the ways to lessen cost of his/her monthly electric bill?

Ok, maybe Ill just tell you that my Xenos mom used to reduce his oxygen to make him stop crying and to save oxygen for his 11 brothers and sisters in their mobile home at the trailer park in Tau 45 when he was a baby.

Generally, I have never felt that vanilla RP forced you to make shallow characters or restrained you much. If anything did that, its players who want to force their personal ideas of RP onto others.
When those ideas are inconsistent with vanilla, not really logical, and arent even defended properly with arguments but rather are pushed forward with Im the faction boss, deal with it and go troll in flood kiddo, its particularly annoying.

most of the rest I could reply to is just back & forth urine spray 'tween the two of us, but I'm willing to yap about it in PM if you so wish

Actually, answering to most of the rest here would have been more pertinent to the topic than most of you post.
In particular
-if you still stand by your comparison of Gaians to Americans, and what are your arguments to counter my arguments.
-If you still stand by that most Gaians have really been isolated on their station, and not lived partly in Bretonia under fake identities, keeping there terrorist activities secret from authorities, and using their base as a secret hideout and weapons stash, instead of living in that rock with their families. I understand that yours did. But most or even all of them? It would seem logical that the largest wave of sympathizers would come from Cambridge universitires, and it would be easy for them to organize assistance, fake IDs, and resources without openly siding with outlaws.
-If you still think its impossible for someone to support and cherish their nation and culture, even if the government was ruthless towards the environment and you fought against it. You keep applying patriotism onto government, as if it was identical to culture and nation.

You say you could reply to that, but somehow you never did although I agree that you could have done it a long time ago, instead of stuff that really... really looked urine splatter, as you put it. I dont see why exactly that part in particular should be in pm, since it would have been the only on topic part.