' Wrote:Sorru but there is not much what you could do with Wilde/Nomad ID except shooting stuff, you could have much more options with freelancer ID for example.
However the point is not in the attitude of the others towards this factions, "gentleman agreements", ganks,hitboxless ships, closed factions, OP ships and guns- what do you expect?
How to treat fair someone that comes to shoot you when you have not even a chance to stand vs him? The point is that the encounter of 8 nom gun scorp without hitbox was not fun for the other side and could not be fun anyway, people play to have fun- so they would avoid the encounter or bring 2 cruisers to get the scrop- this is how the stuff works, you are complaining about it? Well does not overuse OP ships- if you do it for 1-2 years the label stands even if the scorp is not op in 4.86 .
It is not the others who close their recruitment or use OP ships in unfair numbers claiming that others shoot them, many other factions are shot by all of their neighbor factions without having single ally in their ZoI - Xenos, Mollys, Corsairs. You wont find them closed or with OP stuff, you wont find their players acting like "special" ones, it is about attitude after all, if you cannot behave normal towards to the rest of the player base does not expect the others to play ball with your RP, or not to gank you.
I bet that if the said factions wanted they could change everything, it was not really hard to make nom turret red cell in 4.85 for wilde ships- 2 min job for example, sadly you have only "gentleman agreements":lol:so that's why you enjoy the other players "gentleman motivated ganks"
Govedo, I think you might of missed what I was getting at in my post.
Megiddo Wrote:Nomad players become the target of RP and OORP aggression. They get ganked. They point this problem out to the devs, so ships and gear become adjusted accordingly. They continue to get ganked, the reason being that it is near impossible to beat them with even numbers.
Getting constantly ganked is no fun at all, so the Nomad players aren't terribly keen in logging on with their Nomad characters. End result: Order and BHG Core activity dies off and Nomad Space becomes a zone of soul-numbing boredom.
A lot of the aggression I have seen comes from people expecting us to use overpowered ships / weapons which were granted access to because we will always be outgunned and out numbered no matter what we do. Because of this, players know to attack in greater numbers to counter this balance and thus defeat the point of us having better tech in the first place.
Regardless of this being an effective measure in PvP combat, it does not erase the stereotype that all terrorist factions are "elitist pricks who think they are cool because they are in a special club". In turn, when I go out in my Wraith (which has half and half human and Nomad guns) or my Scorpion, or my *whatever* ship and try to RP with someone, regardless of how I approach people, I will instantly be labeled with the previous stereotype thus making it OK for several ships to chase me around when it really isn't necessary. This point stands for when a group of us go out and people have the expectation that we're there to act cool and "elitist" or whatever you want to call us.
So, what am I getting at then? Am I just bitching about how 90% of the time I play on my Wilde characters that this happens? No. I am trying to point out that this is what happens over time: We use overpowered tech, people establish ganking as a norm to counteract us in PvP (which is acceptable) and eventually players get carried away and decide to do this regardless of our specific in game intentions.
Govedo, even you prove my point in your post: "How to treat fair someone that comes to shoot you when you have not even a chance to stand vs him?"
Well, the answer is obvious! You take whatever advantage you have (such as ganking) and use it!
The problem with this logic is that it is faulty. We are not always out there to shoot people. Sometimes we are, but the majority of the time we try to see how people react to our presence first. If people want to fight, then what do you expect us to do? Roll on our backs and die? Sorry man, that's why you might see us in scorpions more often than any other ship.
Now, do you see where I am coming from? If people always expect us to shoot them, then that's what will happen. As Megiddo said, if you go into a situation with a certain expectation, then that's how things will end. Roleplaying cannot be a one way street for this very reason. People need to reciporcate our actions, and it doesn't need to be ganking 90% of the time because we are not out to kill people 90% of the time.
The same goes for PvP, it cannot be a one way street. Go ahead and make fun of "gentlemen agreements", but when there is no way to balance an encounter with us through the game engine, how else do you expect to create some semblance of fairness for either side? I'm not saying Das Wilde, terrorist factions, general player factions, or even myself are free of making bad decisions (read: attacking players when we have a clear, unfair advantage. Instead, I am saying that if everyone tried to be at least a little bit fair, then everyone who plays here would have a little bit more fun.
With that said, how do I think we should enact this? How about we don't have any expectations? How about we just play the game and take it a little more easy?
