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The Westfalen Problem
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09-02-2011, 09:45 AM,
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' Wrote:Well, if you consider actual lore... Lets look at the green House's situation at the end of the SP campaign:
1) Rheinland is up to its balls in debt.

Yup

2) Has sold numerous planets to corporations in an attempt to finance itself - Stuttgart, Holstein, Nuremberg, Hamburg (to an extent); seriously, they're worse than Liberty for corporate shenanigans.

Stuttgart was 'sold' to synth foods. If you read the lore, it says nothing about selling any other planets out.

3) Military pilots defect to/double-shift as corporations because the RM defaults on their wages.

Vanilla Rumor, but ok.


4) Their core mining grounds have been totally depleted, preventing them from reconstructing their fleet.

How does the rich omega 11, 7, Munich, and almost depleted Dresden fields = no resources to build fleet?

5) The Nomad War leaves them with one broken battleship, the Westfalen.

18 years ago

6) Liberty invaded Rheinland at the end of the SP campaign. The Libertonian fleet was occupying New Berlin's orbit within 24 hours of mobilising. Bear in mind, this was against the largest Rheinlandic fleet in history, which had just wiped out the Kusari fleet with minimal effort.

Umm, I dont know what single player you played. But as a 8 year vet of freelancer SP, I can say you are incorrect. Untill the end, Liberty and Rheinland were allies due to the nomadic influences in their governments.
Rheinland can't claim to be beating Liberty in any sense of the word outside of player actions. Still, just as well for the RM and other Rheinlandic factions that Igiss thinks logical lore is too much effort, ey? :D

True, but we can thank our lucky stars that Liberty isn't out to conqueror Rheinland, only out to steal some omnoms.

In any case, Nova sellpoints should be added at the very least. Setting up new characters isn't overly important compared to being able to use the ones you already have.

Now, explain to me how bretonia is going to fuel their ships without ANY direct fuel source.

The only shipments you are getting fuel wise is MOX from ALG and H-fuel shipped by RepEx. Maybe a bit from liberty, but considering they are facing a kusari blockade of H-fuel, not much.

Allow me to be frank, bringing up something that has bugged me for a long time:

One of the things Rheinland prides itself in is RPing an economy. I cant see the same of ANY other houses. what happened when kusari got blockaded by the GMG? invisible H fuel reserves. When liberty got blockaded by kusari? unlimited H fuel reserves. Bretonia got fined by the RFP for hauling illegal goods? BRETONIA EJECTED ALL REHINLAND SHIPPING VESSELS FROM THEIR SPACE... WHILE LOOSING A WAR IN THEIR HOME SYSTEMS...

Economics in this? none.

Stop chanting the lore of vanilla freelancer and clutching to it as though it were your prayer beads, and go out there and make some real moves to support your nation, other then dumping toxic waist in-front of New Tokyo and Nuremberg.

Edit: Also, I would like anyone to point out one post where an official faction member of a Rhineland lawful faction is QQing about the assmins being so unfair. IT happened because of the fracked up conflict in the omegas (thankyou bretonia) and we are manning up and dealing with it. I haven't heard bretonia complaining about LD-14, so Ill assume that is good sportsmanship, but its more likely that they just dont give two blanks about their economy and are ignoring the situation like champs. (lol war rationing 4 years after the war with kusari started)
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The Westfalen Problem - by Aphil - 09-01-2011, 04:37 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Toaster - 09-01-2011, 04:48 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by neke - 09-01-2011, 04:57 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 05:03 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Camtheman - 09-01-2011, 05:24 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 05:26 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Vrabcek - 09-01-2011, 05:34 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Aphil - 09-01-2011, 05:36 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Ryummel - 09-01-2011, 05:43 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 05:43 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Torch Rose - 09-01-2011, 06:52 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Pancakes - 09-01-2011, 06:55 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Toaster - 09-01-2011, 07:09 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Pacific - 09-01-2011, 07:32 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 07:43 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Ipuvaepe - 09-01-2011, 07:49 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 08:09 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Vrabcek - 09-01-2011, 08:12 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 08:23 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Daedric - 09-01-2011, 08:24 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 08:26 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 08:28 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 08:34 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Jeremy Hunter - 09-01-2011, 08:35 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by hollowpoint - 09-01-2011, 08:38 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 08:41 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Jinx - 09-01-2011, 08:43 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 08:46 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Ipuvaepe - 09-01-2011, 08:53 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Daedric - 09-01-2011, 09:01 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Jeremy Hunter - 09-01-2011, 09:03 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Stygian - 09-01-2011, 09:06 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by SMGSterlin - 09-01-2011, 09:08 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 09:19 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Ryummel - 09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 09:52 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Daedric - 09-01-2011, 10:00 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 10:02 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Daedric - 09-01-2011, 10:05 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-01-2011, 10:11 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Jeremy Hunter - 09-01-2011, 10:21 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Ipuvaepe - 09-01-2011, 10:32 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Daedric - 09-01-2011, 10:40 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Dane Summers - 09-01-2011, 10:58 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by Cap.Kennedy - 09-01-2011, 10:59 PM
The Westfalen Problem - by jammi - 09-02-2011, 12:11 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by AeternusDoleo - 09-02-2011, 08:45 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Anonymous User - 09-02-2011, 09:07 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by mef - 09-02-2011, 09:14 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by rwx - 09-02-2011, 09:25 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Lobster - 09-02-2011, 09:45 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Pacific - 09-02-2011, 10:27 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Shii - 09-02-2011, 10:36 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Dashiell - 09-02-2011, 10:37 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by jammi - 09-02-2011, 11:07 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Munificent - 09-02-2011, 11:48 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Tachyon - 09-02-2011, 11:50 AM
The Westfalen Problem - by Syrus - 09-02-2011, 12:00 PM

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