Faction Right 2 and 5

[Agmen of Eladesor]

I have a question regarding roleplay interactions.

If the official faction follows the rules and issues an order under Faction Right 2, under what circumstances - if any - would they not be allowed to immediately follow that up with a Faction Right 5 if the FR2 orders were not followed?

Faction Right 2 reads:

RIGHT 2) Official factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official Factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.

In other words, if the Faction Leader or 2iC provides an order in game or on the forums, it's not up to the indy player to decide whether the RP is justified or justifiable, as was explained here:

INTENT OF RIGHT NUMBER 2:

The intent of this right is to allow official faction leadership to also provide leadership, with discretion, to independent players, to improve server gameplay, fairplay, and roleplay.
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2) Official factions that are attempting to represent the entirety of a NPC affiliation have the responsibility to be caretakers of the history and evolving storyline of the NPC faction in such a way that it remains open to involvement by non-player faction affiliates to the extent that is permitted by the server rules.

As long as there is no conflict with the server rules, then, an indy would be required to follow the orders from the official faction, and there was no issue with an indy and canon RP. For example, if an indy Corsair pilot came across a BHG| pilot in Delta and the leader of the Sails told him not to attack under FR2 due to the Non Agression Pact, the indy pilot could ignore that order. Or the head of the [LN] couldn't tell an indy pilot to take out all the civilian ID'd level 5 starfleas in Penn, as that would violate server rules.

But - the head of a faction can tell someone where to - or where not to - deploy if the faction has reasoning behind it. Especially if there is underlying reason as well for those orders.

Now we get to FR5:

RIGHT 5) Official factions may request that the reputation of a player's ship be changed to hostile with respect to their NPC faction.

Would not disobeying a direct order be cause for nearly an automatic FR5? If an LN indy told the head of the [LN] that he wasn't going to follow his orders in combat, he'd be put up against the wall and shot if caught. While an FR5 is normally something that should be a last resort, there have been several instances where groups have 'gone rogue' against the main faction. Thus, an FR5 would be more along the lines of denying this person docking rights with his own faction.

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