If you simply read Ghosts of the Past, alot of these questions would be answered. Heck, I was told people wanted to demand I make a AW History RP thread just a week ago. Guess they didn't read GotP because it IS the history thread.
Now, Mal asked me to post this here, so here is my PM I sent to him. It will answer the majority of your questions, unless you simply don't want it to be true, in which case you'll not gain a thing.
Quote:First thing that needs to be said is; Who first initiated the hostilities with AW?
TBH: Declared publicly that they would aid the SCRA, and as such, attacked the AW.
OPG/PM/Benitez: Helped TBH in their attacks and defense, attacking AW before we ever engaged the Corsairs (we said publicly that we would NOT attack, nor restrict any Corsairs not aligned with the TBH.
BSG: We are not yet at the formal call of war, though we are hostile. They attacked the AW-Defel in Gamma. I had intended to stay out of the fight between NovaPG and BSG, except that one of the Albatrosses fired on me as soon as it was within range.
LSF: Again, attacked the Defel at the same time as the Albatross (aiding Corsairs, and you question MY RP?)
SA: Brought battleships into Theta, and also attacked our ally's home system. Until then they had not attacked Vespucci, so we left them to fight each other. BSG and LSF also attacked Vespucci.
Phantoms: The only faction we are currently hostile with that we intiated hostilities with. This is because of RP, and if you read Ghosts of the Past, you know what that RP was.
We didn't start any of the wars with any of th people we are fighting, and people are regularly attacking us.
Our ID says we are allowed to attack unlawfuls, and we are allowed to attack unlawfuls, so long as we have an RP reason to do so. Is self-defense and retaliation un-RP? I don't think so, same things countries today do. And to all those factions that did attack us, we gave them a chance to apologize and go back to neutral, no harm done to reputations and we wouldn't retaliate against them. None of them accepted.
AW allied HF for many-explained reasons. Look them up. We are friendly to Outcasts because that alliance, the Corsairs attacking us, and the last 2 admirals we had, were both formally Outcasts.
We are friendly to The Order because they helped us regularly in the past, and are now also allies of the Zoners.
If any of the factions we are hostile with come to us with peace negotiations, or accept our peace offers, we will talk with them about them. We are not war-mongering, but these attacks are regularly forced upon us. If you haven't noticed, we aren't hostile to SCRA, though they help Corsairs defend Gamma. This is because of negotiations, and it has been cleared that they will aid in defence of Gamma, but not any other systems we engage Corsairs, nor will they seek fights with us, unless we actively attack Corsairs in Gamma.
Enough of your 'AW aren't Zoners" bull****, because if OTHERS treated us as Zoners, the neutral ones we claim to guard, we wouldn't have wars with the people your complaining about us fighting.
Now, I haven't claimed AW to be Zoners. It looks like it at the bottom of the quote because I was talking to Mal and he knows what I meant by it. Multiple times over multiple months I have pressed this on MANY people. We are the guardians of the Zoners. This is why we prohibit hostilities in Theta.
Now Korrd says I need to stop controlling Theta. This I think is coming from a brunt of bad intel. I am NOT controlling Theta as people are saying. I'm doing the same with that, what Corsairs do with Gamma, Outcasts with Alpha, SF with Cambridge. We ONLY attack people who are either A: Hostile to us, whom we fight, and chase down if they run. This is typical, and would happen anywhere, no matter WHICH faction was involved. This is what ALL factions do. They don't let their enemy just flit around. B: Attack someone/Pirate someone. By doing this they make their character and/or faction hostile with AW. To be fair, we always give these people an opportunity to stop what they are doing. We will warn them; Stop attacking (or pirating) or you'll be killed. If they comply, everyone goes on about their business. If they don't, they are made hostile, and as such we attack them.
Now, about the Battlestar in Theta last night. Yes, we attacked it. You want to actually know why before you use it as 'just evidence' to condemn us? He parked that thing in Theta for an HOUR. He sat in Theta, with a battleship, for an hour. Now, AW has a policy about that, that we had to make a few months ago. Specifically because of 2 reasons. One, people kept parking their BSs in Theta so they could attack Alpha and Gamma. Now, since we don't want fighting to occur in Theta, this obviously would end up with Corsairs and/or Outcasts coming in to destroy the battleships that were staging from Theta. Two, if you guys read the above quote, I mention in there who has attacked us recently. In the last 2 months, we have been attacked by PM, LDDLG, Benitez, OPG, LSF, BSG. Before that SCRA was also making trouble in Theta (will be explained later) and because we stopped SCRA, TBH stepped into the war. And to correct Equinox, the TBH didn't enter the war to help SCRA shoot HF. That hostility had been there for months before TBH got involved. You want to know WHEN they got involved? Less than 2 days after AW declared hostilities with SCRA because they attacked an ALLY in THETA. Attacked an Ally, and did something they knew we didn't allow. Want to know where TBH attacked first? Theta. They brought a big group in and attacked us. Now, considering how often we are attacked, would YOU want a battleship sitting in a system your guarding for an hour? A fully armed and armored on?
I told him, like I tell all battleships. "Please finish your business and move on."
@pipsqueak; You ask why AW was fighting a Titan? Did you ask the Titan first? He came in and attacked us immediately. I hadn't even known he was there until I turned around and saw him shooting me. Seems your blaming the wrong person for that conflict, just as your blaming us for the conflicts with BSG, LSF, SA and the Corsairs.
And about the bounties, yes AW claimed alot of bounties. Did you see WHO those bounties were on? TBH and Benitez. Two factions who had attacked us, and Benitez were still doing so. See the other bounties? Have we yet collected one on RM, or one on that SFCR? Hmm, either I'm just blind, or no, we didn't.
And since we are guard, we need fighter ships? Hmm, 101st don't use only fighters. TBH doesn't just use fighters either. AW uses 65% fighters, 45% caps. Sometimes even more fighters than that ratio. The Corsairs have a 20% fighters to 80% capship rate. Yeah, we are guard, we are stuck in JUST fighters. Riiiight. Could this just be because your mad AW is hostile to factions your in? Seems to me that is a case here.
@majkp; In contrary to what everyone is saying here about how I conduct wars, I first discussed with SCRA, then later with you directly about conditions on how we could end the war. I think I'll just quote you directly, that way it can't be said yet again that I'm lieing, or that I don't give our enemies an option to how we could end the wars.
Quote:Thanks also for the cease-fire offer but it think having someone real to fight is a best practice. Unless thing start getting out of our hands, let's stay with current status.
I think the recent tentions between 101st, TBH, AW, Benitez, OPG, NovaPG, Bushido and the others finally brought some live to the server. And i hope we can manage to get through it without flames and have a lot of fun..
Don't let me stop you, please, keep criticizing AW on how we 'are so eager to fight someone.'
@Hoodlum; Your saying Tank flamed everyone. Well first; Lots of people have been flaming me. Heck, there have been flames directed personally towards me. Secondly, Tank said for everyone to shut up until I can respond, and to stop making these flame-bait threads. Thats less flame than I've seen from half the people in here. And they definitely aren't all 'civil' about it either. If you do want to get on Tank's back, then get on all the other people doing the same, or worse, in this thread.
@McNeo; The answer to 'Why are you attacking the Corsairs' is explained in my quote at the top. And as to why I wasn't originally going to talk in this thread, and why I will stay out of it for the most part after this post, is because rather than snap at a bunch of flame-bait dangled in front of me, I'd rather see people come to me through PMs first when they have questions or complaints, rather than make it a public bash session. Now, this is the exact approach thats ALWAYS suggested, except in AW's case. Funny, how I haven't received one PM about ANY of this. Not a question, nor a complaint. You all just jumped on this 'bash AW' bandwagon as soon as it appeared. Last time I got a PM about this stuff, was when the previous thread was being posted.
@Salamander; Ask yourself WHY we might be hostile to Outcasts. Firstly, our ally is Lane Hacker-aligned. Thats an ally of Outcasts. Friendly there. Secondly, in the past (IN OUR RP) some of our highest-ranking members and biggest RP-posters were originally, or later, Outcasts. Thirdly, the 101st [formerly the GoR] helped us in the past, such as when SA, SF, and CCE came and attacked Theta on a consistent basis, and helped us in Liberty when we retaliated. [And if no one noticed, we said to SF, that if they get out and leave that war to HF and SA only, we would back out too. They did, and we did. That sounds REAL 'eager' to fight there, doesn't it?] Fourthly, Corsairs are attacking us constantly. We don't initiate the hostilities, we only fight those who have already attacked us. The problem is that most attack us on sight, even the independent ones. Funny, how we are expected to act as Zoners, but are never treated enough like one to just be like them. When people attack us, we don't sit still and let them. We will retaliate just like every other faction on this server. Now, Outcasts are the biggest enemies of the Corsairs. Hence, we are friendly. NovaPG are also hostile to Corsairs and regularly attacked Gamma, hence we are friendly. Called deductive reasoning.
@Blunt; All I can say, is read the former threads on this subject. It will answer your demands/questions. Do your homework. And your comment to Korrd about asking for an AW NPC faction? Hmm, seems I never asked for one every before, and Korrd just now in this thread did. However, you, the SCRA, asked for one about 3 different times, and you haven't been a very old faction in comparison. Telling him that won't solve anything is being hypocritical about your own demands for one.
Also, HF aren't exactly pirates. They don't pirate. They are an unlawful military that opposes Liberty. I'd like to see one screenshot of them actually PIRATING anyone before you ever accuse them of it. Also, HF has been told not to attack anyone not hostile to AW in Theta, and AW doesn't attack anyone in Vespucci unless they are hostile to HF.
@Equinox; The 'backdoor' stuff with AW and SCRA was actually supposed to be posted about. It never was.. If you want the most detail, talk to Alpha-429 and Tank Target about it.
And about us attacking you (which is not every day. It was 5 days between the time we attacked you Yesterday, and the time we attacked you before that. Again; If you want to know why we are still at war, read the quote of Majkp in PMs. He didn't want it to end, and I even gave him an offer, just as I gave SCRA the offer to take to TBH, OPG, Benitez, and PM, which they never did. I made an attempt to end this war, your leadership didn't want to do (for sound reasons that I agreed with, not bashing that). So stop saying AW is just out to attack you.
@Kane; Your not wrong. Our RP actually has us as Luciaden's private army to combat the C'tan and Phantoms. Our merc part isn't part of the RP, and is really just leftover from our very early days. I thought about removing it awhile ago, but never did. If it helps people's minds, I can remove it. And yes, your right, it has been awhile since AW was hired. But thats because before this server became RP-oriented, we advertised ourselves as war-fighters that cost alot of money. Nowadays, those kind of wars you'd actually hire someone to help you in, don't happen. And there are so many alliances flying around (and admit, alot make less sense than the AW-HF alliance) that most people can rely on some type of help coming.
However, on the acting like Zoners part, you are wrong. When we are not attacked, we aren't hostile with people. Occasionally, I'll think about going hostile with someone, and keeping it a small war that is talked about beforehand with the other faction's leader, just so we can keep membership activity up. Unlike me, others don't just use independant characters, and use AW when needed. Members get bored, and you use them. Its the biggest problem AW ever has, is with membership activity. However, there have been times, and there will be times, were AW is not hostile to anyone but Phantoms. If we were not attacked at every corner, we wouldn't be at war with anybody right now, except maybe some of the new Corsair factions that don't seem to care about Zoner neutrality, and just want to pirate Theta.
@Firebird; All I can do is quote the Zoner ID for you.
Quote:Pilot carrying this ID has joined Zoners. Zoner ID grants its owner right to trade, escort traders, hunt pirates and terrorists, fulfill bounty contracts, participate in military operations on lawful side. Zoner ID owner cannot participate in any unlawful actions.
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships
Carrying unmounted IDs in your ship, as well as not equipping an ID, is a serious crime.
@DarkOddity; In your last post you just said exactly what AW does. For some reason, half the people here thing we call ourselves Zoners. This isn't true, and those same people don't listen when I tell them; We are not Zoners. We operate only as their guardians, and protect Omicron-74 and Omicron Theta. We don't exert ANY influence over any bases other than Omicron-74, Corfu, and Freeport 9 because they are in Theta. Because we are guardians of Zoners, we guard Theta and stop any hostilties there so they don't compromise the peace ther.e (I do NOT include NPCs in this. Zoners might not stop them from fighting in the system, but there is also game limitations that prohibit that from happening. But it says they stop it on the freeports, so AW does it in Theta as a whole. Same as a station, but simply on a greater scale.)
the only difference between your post and reality, is that AW also has ZoI over Theta. This is for a few reasons. Main among them is that its connected to Omicron-74, our home system. And then other is because we are there gaurdians, that is their main system and occupied only by them (in bases). We keep the peace there so it does not become a war zone, nor a pirating hotspot.
You guys wanted your response, well there you go, there it is. If any of you "Can't be bothered reading all that" as I've seen before, don't bother posting. And don't be too surprised if I post here again. I might not, as I'm pretty sick of re-explaining these same facts multiple times because people can't search into past threads and find the answers to questions that were made months ago.
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