' Wrote:Rmorph, I get your point but that what I quoted is the only thing you need to "prove" in order to join, not some kind of special powers or super RP. You and all who are interested to join the nomads need to fly like nomads. Once that is done you are in. Is that so hard?
You said a lot of good things so I will recommend you to join and fly with us.
I'll take you up on that next time I see your guys in space.
Quote:Here comes the other part: I dont know if you were familiar with the time when "keepers" were open faction. Yes that period was one of the biggest lolz in nomad history in disco. All our members didnt want to go to play because of the lolz.
Examples can be many but I will give you just few to understand why the general idea of making this faction open is totaly wrong:
1. Player "De***" - Nomad battleship in Iota - "Hai guys can I come with you for pew in NY?"
2. Player "X" - nomad morph - "Its hart for me to say english so can U write the recruting test for me plz? I know dont english.:("
3. Player "K'Hara|****" - fake one in NY - "engaging police and navy"
4. Player "***" - FL IFF, Nephthys ship, nomad blasters, Corsair ID. After few lines of RP he said: " Stop talk. Tell me where to get the nomad battleship and stuff"
5. Player "**" - a hunter in sigma-13 who arrived on scanner range - "alien! Engaging"
6. Player "Y" - indie morph, probably a new player but - "***Assisting Nomads***" "***Die***"
7. Player "YX" - in kyushu, watching a nomad gunboat. 1 min later in system chat - "Pirate in sector ..."
You can find all of this behavior in every other house, and every other type of ship, from Liberty to Gamma, and from starflea to Dreadnought.
Right now we can discuss about the qualitative experience of Nomad on the server as much as we like.
Fact is the quantitative experience is minimal.
The answer to this type of behavior is to be vigilant about it, rather than restricting the faction to the point of near unplayability.
We rely on other mechanisms to prevent it elsewhere - up to and including sanctions.
Corsair space is not the most rp-friendly place to be sometimes, but there are enough mature players there to keep some level of control. I argue the same behavior is valid for nomads.
Quote:and much much more.
My points are:
- Yes there are indi morphs who deserve to be in K'Hara but they dont want to join for unknown reasons.
IMHO: The process is convoluted and requires too much homework, and that homework feels like doing someone else's homework. The Keepers page, for example, comes across as a term paper in Nomad lore.
Quote:- Yes there are indie morphs who dont deserve to even have a morph.
Again, not unique to Nomads... One can argue that because Nomads are currently so protected, this problem has been offloaded to Corsair, Outcasts and the pirate factions. As I've stated, I believe Nomads make more sense for belligerent aggression than even these factions, and that it is even more oorp to see this type of behaviour from a Corsair or Liberty Police.
Quote:- Yes there are a lot of players who are interested in the nomads but:
-- They are doing nothing to help the faction
-- Complaining and whining why the nomad faction is closed cuz that dont allow their 2 pvp friends to make lolducks and gank anyone with minimal RP
When there is a ready faction with lore, members, and low activity then why dont you help it instead of requesting to make it open?
Several things here:
I'm a fan of K'hara lore: its a great piece of fiction, but I wouldn't join K'hara, and I think you guys are struggling for a reason that has nothing to do with the rp.
I would guess that the types of players that might consider a nomad rp role are by their very nature more rp-independent than the average player, yet joining the existing factions requires treading in other people shoes, and fulfilling other peoples expectations much more than even the other house + official factions.
If any of the other official factions had such a solid grip on another house, it too would see its playability fall.
For example, if the Corsair Elder council could define when corsair ids could be issued, or if the Liberty navy had a recruitment process for all levels of liberty lawful.
Epic alien interactions are missing from Discovery RP 24/7 because alien has become an elite restricted role, rather than the gold standard rp role it was intended to be. IMHO the server is a poorer place for it.
Also, it seems that any attempt to bring nomads to the wider audience is seen as either compromising the existing deeply-rooted convictions of those that do play nomads (who get to write the rules), or else is seen as whining (as you yourself describe it), rather than as objective problem solving.
Something tells me Dark, that if I did join K'hara I would end up leaving in frustration because my views would run very counter to what is intended with the K'hara, which is written as a very streamlined and solidly outlined set of role descriptions.
I intend no disrespect to you by saying that, as obviously you have the best interests of the faction and the race very much at heart.
I'm gonna simply go out on a limb and say that after years of trying, the experiment in restricting IDs to a single faction has proven to be a bad idea server wise.
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