@Wolfspirit, seriously man. Get someone to translate what I said for you since either you misunderstood me entirely or stop assuming things I never said/think deliberately.
It's not that protecting miners is OORP. It's that methods you suggested me to employ that are OORP.
I won't F1 in fields and log every time something happens because it's OORP.
I won't log an entire fleet into the Omegas because it's OORP.
It's the abuse of game mechanics, something official factions (and preferably all players) don't do.
I won't be more flexible in that regard, since this is a game, though one with rules and common sense/courtesy.
Ask for something that's not throwing over the rules/principles we follow. Just because others play dirty, we won't.
@Vito, some of what you said, I elaborated later on. You should read the whole thread if you're wishing to make such an elaborated response.
Let's begin with this:
' Wrote:No, the lack of support from the governmental forces, military and police
' Wrote:You are right, that's RFP's job
' Wrote:I understand your point and it may have been incorrect of me to use the term 'military' instead of 'law enforcement agencies', but even though that lore-wise the Police is supposed to be handling issues, that is not really applicable in actuality exactly because of the factors you mentioned.
Despite that, if it would be the police watching over miners, my points still apply I believe, except that even the technology of the police is lower grade than that of the pirates.
Now, let's get to the quotes that that extract did not answer.
' Wrote:You can't. Nobody is asking for 24/7 surveillance, but I haven't seen a RM/RFP ship in Omega 11 for ages. And yes, Omega 11 is the problem, not Omega 7. Most lawfuls don't enter O11 because they don't want to spend a few credits on repairs and bots
False assumption #1.
We don't commonly enter Omega-11 because it formerly has not been on our patrol path due to the heavy Red Hessian activity therein. It's an RP thing that, if it's really that much of a problem, I am willing to change and include the system on our standard patrol path. But since in the past I don't know how long time I never received a distress call from Omega-11, how could I know it's an area that needs focus? Previous responses in this thread all endorse my point.
Now, you want more patrols to Omega-11? Okay.
' Wrote:You should have thought about that when you applied for the RM. That is your job, to protect your people, not to pew pew with LN in Hamburg all day
' Wrote:Because that is YOUR JOB, that is why you applied for RM. Or at least that should be the reason. all you do is sit around Hamburg waiting for the LN co come and pew pew
False assumption #2.
Personally, I can state that the RM is never idle. We even stopped watching over the embargo for months now, we patrol all the internal systems, with the Omegas in priority. The only thing that changed is that we integrated Bering and Hudson into our patrols, but removed Texas, so the chance of "pew pew" with Liberty is rather low.
Now, ask yourself what a military force should be doing. Should it be sitting in a mine watching over miners or countering a fleet of foreign invaders? Well, I think the latter is more of a priority, just observe a few real life examples.
As you said, it would be the RFP's job, but we still do it.
' Wrote:You gave us 2(two) Wraiths. What can 2 Wraiths do against a pack of Odins? Not much. Not to mention they are both shared ships, so once one dies nobody else can log in again for 4 hours, right? The Eagle melts in Omega 11 faster than the RHA can kill it
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Raven Talon is IMG, so we can't use them. Yes, we got 2 or 3 Stingers/Wasupu's but they suck against the Odins. We asked for more Wraiths 2132452 times, but didn't got any
Nice exaggeration. Where exactly did you ask for more Wraiths that got turned down? I may consider it if you show me a few of those "2132452" requests.
' Wrote:Doesn't the RM have a deal with the Unioners? Or the Bretonians with the Mollys? Isn't Samura supporting the Corsairs?
DHC's RP has always been the same: greedy, heartless corporate bastards who would sell their own mother for some credits. Our operations were suffering and we had to do something
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Now about the reasons behind the DHC-RHA deal. I don't see how that is OORP. The RHA grew to a size which doesn't allow us to operate at full capacity (and yes, that is the government’s fault in RP and we blame them for that) and we had to do something. We were already paying the pirates every day AND losing a lot of ships and cargo every day. We did the math and decided is more profitable and safe to do it this way, because we don't risk loosing ships. In RP a single tanker is worth 100 mils, so 200 mils per months is a great deal.
The RM has a deal with the Unioners? That's certainly news to me. About the rest, those are not exactly the under the desk deals made by arch enemies, but I can't say I approve of those either. As far as I'm concerned, lawfuls and unlawfuls should not be cooperating on anything but temporary terms.
About the DHC's deal itself: As I said in the original post, I won't opinionize it here. I'm simply trying to correct the reasons why it happened.
' Wrote:We did that and it didn't work. Btw, if we schedule our mining operations would you do the same and be there with some patrols? Mining takes time. We get there and 3 Odins and 2 Thor's show up. What then? F1 and wait for them to go away?
If you scheduled your mining operations already, why didn't you inform us of the schedule? Even though we all have other tasks to handle and I can't promise constant surveillance even in such a case, we would certainly try to give you all the aid we can if you actually schedule a mining op.
But as said before, hiring mercenaries instead of financing terrorism also is an alternative, with the schedule still in effect. With combined mercenary and governmental escort, I'm certain this problem would get ironed out more easily, even if only one entity can be present at a time.
' Wrote:Also this:
Edit: I forgot something. Look at all the other house militaries. when a pack of their house criminals show up they all go and fight them, wheter is LN, BAF or KNF. You see RHA and think: "oh, that's not our problem, they're only killing miners, let's have another drink on Hamburg
False assumption #3.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that remark. I think I'll just say that you should have saved it, since it's entirely invalid and merely an emotional outburst forged together from internal assumptions. I'd suggest you stop relying on such assumptions if you have no evidence to back it up with, especially if you contradicted yourself with saying that it would not be our job.
Do your research before making such decisions and stop pointing fingers, especially if it's not justified.
