Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

[McNeo]

Replying to the parts concerning LN:

Now, there are few problems around this thing with Zoners.
First problem is that Zoner GB turrets are actually one of the best, if not the best in the mod.
Second problem is that LN is using those weapons on their really good gunboats.

The Liberty Navy pressured the Zoners for their tech usage rights due to Pirate IDd Ahoudori gunboats flying about with eight of these (and a few Tridente's and other assorted rabble). I agree completely with your argument, but please understand that what we pushed for was a reactive rather than a proactive measure. Frankly, we were all sick of facing the same old stuff without the weapons to match, so we thought it best to even the playing field. The reality was that we:

1 -couldn't deploy cruisers, battlecruisers or battleships, as they are easy to outrun in a gunboat. Only a handful of times has the Maryland been deployed successfully against gunboats, one such time being Joe firing two battlerazors into the hull of one who was cruising away.
2 -couldn't deploy a single gunboat against one of these, as ours would lose without a doubt. This is due to the firepower discrepancy.
3 -found it difficult to support a single gunboat with a bomber or two due to accusations of ganking.
4 -found it difficult to swarm with fighters and bombers due to the tendency of these gunboats to sunsurf. Of course, the sun kills fighters and bombers far more easily than a cap 8 heavy gunboat.

Having removed point two has significantly changed our choices inasmuch as when necessary, we can bring out an equal that can also chase through a sun and keep up, without inevitably losing. This removes the favourable position that pirates were in, acting as a discouragement to their use, thus enabling us to do other things with our time, like fight fighters.

The Zoner GB gun was balanced as much for the Ahoudori or the Tridente as it was for the Liberty Gunboat. (I added this in as I failed to articulate that point above)

Given the scale of the problem, and it was really quite large as there were anywhere from one to four or five of these per day, we wanted to firstly make a symbolic deal that would send a message that they're no longer going to get matched up with equivalent classes that are at a disadvantage. This is a deterrant, and to my knowledge, it worked, or at least coincided with people getting bored of their Pirate Ahoudori's. The second reason was, as I've said before, evening the playing field. Fighting fire with fire always sets a lovely precedent. An eye for an eye, as they say.

I am of the opinion that every single of 4 Military's should be forbidden to use anything but their own weapons.
While it makes sense for some ragtag bunch of pirates to mix all kinds of weapons, it doesn't make any sense for Military ships to do so.

Why does it not? Just because the standard issue American serviceman gets an M16, doesn't mean that other sections of their armed forces don't get something different. If we're comparing to real life equivalents of the armed forces, they do often mix and match their weapons, and purchase them from different sources. Of course, here you could vilify me for bringing up a real life example, but I know not what else our preconceptions about the military are based upon.

Furthermore, if any other house has the same problem on a similar scale that we had with pirates employing Zoner GB guns, I fully expect them to leverage the same level of cooperation from the Zoners as we did. Plus, these pirates didn't have a motley assortment of weapons, they had a full load of Zoner GB cannons.

Now, if you compare this case to something like the Red Hessians using a IMG battleship, you'd expect RM to employ a Zephyr just to make a point, or to kick the IMG out of Rheinland.

If it were ten Zephyrs, I think you might see Rheinland react with a little more than blank apathy. One is easily attributed to fluke or coincidence, but the scale of the problem in Liberty was many times more serious than a battleship that doesn't get taken out much anyway.

I do get where you're coming from Chopper, but we're not going to shrug as the game mechanic you rightly pointed out is used against us.

PS: If I missed anything, please tell me >_>