Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

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Furthermore, if any other house has the same problem on a similar scale that we had with pirates employing Zoner GB guns, I fully expect them to leverage the same level of cooperation from the Zoners as we did. Plus, these pirates didn't have a motley assortment of weapons, they had a full load of Zoner GB cannons.

I also understand where you'r coming from, but I don't think you are dealing with the problem the right way.
You use those guns to even the odds with some Indies, mostly. But what you are doing is that you are now making every other unlawful faction in Liberty to also use these guns, to even the odds with you.
As an end result, everyone will use Zoner GB guns except those factions that don't want to go for an edge over their roleplay. So, only them will actually loose.

1 -couldn't deploy cruisers, battlecruisers or battleships, as they are easy to outrun in a gunboat. Only a handful of times has the Maryland been deployed successfully against gunboats, one such time being Joe firing two battlerazors into the hull of one who was cruising away.
2 -couldn't deploy a single gunboat against one of these, as ours would lose without a doubt. This is due to the firepower discrepancy.
3 -found it difficult to support a single gunboat with a bomber or two due to accusations of ganking.
4 -found it difficult to swarm with fighters and bombers due to the tendency of these gunboats to sunsurf. Of course, the sun kills fighters and bombers far more easily than a cap 8 heavy gunboat.

I must disagree with you again, on some points.
Cruisers can be deployed successfully if they are mixed with snub craft.
Also, a Liberty GB with your own turrets can still beat an Explorer on it's own.
It probably can't beat a Tridente, true, but then again, it won't beat it with Zoner GB turrets either. That ship is simply too powerful.

Now, as for the 'edge' you are talking about.
Doesn't the LN have the same kind of edge with their Magma hammers, compared to all other unlawfuls in Liberty?
As far as I know, most people are just mixing 4 codenames and 2 mh's now. But even 6 mh's is an edge.
Also, didn't the Liberty Navy sell those guns to certain Mercenary groups for them to have the edge too?
Imagine the IMG having to fight against a 4 code + 3 mh sabre in the Taus. Now, imagine the IMG contacting you and asking those guns for themselves, or else they would remove your docking rights in Magellan. Of course, you don't need Freeport 4 as a docking point too much, but I'm just making a point.
Now, I don't have a problem with this, -unless- you want to go both ways, and that is what you'r trying to do.

To be honest, I am pretty scared when I get jumped by the [LN] on my unlawful, and that is perfectly fine. I run. I always do. And that's the way it should be actually.
But when I see you doing the exact same thing as indie Explorers and Tridente's, it just ruins it all.

Why does it not? Just because the standard issue American serviceman gets an M16, doesn't mean that other sections of their armed forces don't get something different. If we're comparing to real life equivalents of the armed forces, they do often mix and match their weapons, and purchase them from different sources. Of course, here you could vilify me for bringing up a real life example, but I know not what else our preconceptions about the military are based upon.

Well, it's based upon military system actually, which is different then the pirate one.
Your pilots are soldiers, they get a ship and weapons, they undock and do their job, in my head at least.
It's not -theirs-, it's -theirs to use-.
While pirates are actually owning the ships, at least 'indie ones', as far as I can see it.
And pirates actually do visit Zoner bases. They can win the ship with guns in a bar brawl for all I care.

But I'm pretty Nazi about this thing, back then when we were starting a LPI faction, I demanded from Zapp that we all use the same loadout.
And we did, in the first 6 months or so, then it all went downwards.
So, yes, I'd probably like you to have a 'uniform loadout', but I know that won't happen, and I understand that.
But using Zoner GB guns, or even Bretonian guns is just not right.

Now, imagine some indie Rogues using Roc bombers to get an edge, because Barghest just dies too fast. You see them, and you think 'hm, why do we have to stick to our ****ty Upholders'.
So, you soon start using Roc bombers instead of Upholders too (it even makes sense, since Upholder is downright bad).
That is an extreme of what you'r doing.
In Real Life you could probably justify using civilian equipment for military use too, but in FL universe it just makes little sense.

Please note that my posts are not flaming or Q_Q, I never even met one of your Zoner equipped GB's. I'm more theoretically oriented.
I did, however, meet one of your Guardians with Ultra Sunrails. And I don't like that either, but even that makes much more sense then Zoner GB turrets.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del