Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

[chopper]

Alright, you obviously also have a point there, but I'm still sticking with mine. Yet you did manage to convince me a bit, but only a bit. Maybe we can come to a compromise:D
I'll also try to keep it short.

Now, when I said 'ruins it all', I didn't mean my gameplay, I meant my 'illusion of the LN', so to say.
You must realize that, even if you do have problems of the sort, all factions do face the same or far bigger problems.
You surely remember the situation from 4.83 and 4.84 when all factions could use 'allied equipment'.
'Allied equipment' was always about 'filling the gaps', while those gaps are there for a balancing reason.
There are no more BD HF's with Inferno and Krakens, no more Vipers with Del Cids.
As I said, whole 'weapon rebalance' was done for that reason so factions can use their own weapons instead of 'Outcast side using Krakens' and 'Corsair side using Del Cids'.

Firstly, the only odds that are helped by Zoner guns are the gunboat ones, the others aren't so great (yet I think a few asked for some fury 5's).

Well, I can partially agree, since I am quite fond of the Fury 5's as guns. I find them much better then Vengeances, for example, but that's only because 8.33 weapons obviously have a problem.

The likelihood of this is very slim if the Explorer has Zoner GB guns.

Its skill dependent of course, but given good equal pilots, the favour would probably turn to the Explorer. And then, the straight line plus strafing works against Liberty Gunboats too, due to the firepower and armour difference.

I'm not sure if you realize that Ahoudori actually has less armor then a Liberty gunboat? 100k compared to 110k.
Also, straight line plus strafing can't ever work against a Liberty Gunboat, since it's so narrow that it can easily dodge at least 50% shots while not missing any on a sluggish Ahoudori.
I fight a lot of Liberty Gunboats on a daily basis, and I fought Ahoudori's quite a few times as well. I simply can't put them nowhere near each other.
Plus, it has a forward gun, which takes some skill to use but it's better to have it then not to have it, by all means.

About deploying cruisers. If the gunboat goes in a straight line and strafes, you can cruise close to it, wait for your energy to recharge, keep close distance, and start shooting.
And once you start shooting, it won't go in a straight line anymore, it will have to move a bit. You won't.
Also, I don't get one thing. If the Explorer is going in a straight line, only strafing, why don't you just SNAC the hell out of it? Sure, Upholder is bad, but it can still manage against gunboats.
Of course, Tridente is a completely different matter, and can dodge forever whatever you put on it's back.
But that isn't worth discussing, since it's basically an even more overpowered version of the old BHG gunship.
It could beat any other GB even with basic GB turrets, I guess.


Now, for the Hammers.

I suppose we have as much an edge with the Magma Hammer as the Rogues do with the Sammael, or the Xenos with the Black Widow. As much as I can see your point about those factions needing to even their playing field, the effectiveness of these guns is very much dependent on the pilots, and not in the same way as gunboat guns. Those who can use a Sammael may not be able to use a Magma Hammer, and I would venture to say that the 4.00 refire of a Black Widow makes it quite popular as a kracken substitute.

As I already stated, 8.33 guns have a problem, and Sammels are the only decent 8.33's at the moment.
Now, as for MH's, the best thing about them is they are actually class 9 codes. They really are.
So, you get an edge when you can do a 14-15k damage per second with 4 codes and two MH's.
I very much agree that the effectiveness is very much dependent on the pilots. I can't hit very well with 2.0's, so I understand where you'r coming from. But still, the possibility is what also counts.
I always bring up a 'Bomber theme' when it comes to this... Bombers were also very much skill dependent in 4.83/4.84, but once a few people got a grip on it, it came down to nerfing them even further. (4.83 > 4.84 > 4.85).
But, the edge comes with the fact that people who do choose to use 2.0's anyway, can use them in Liberty with additional 4k dps. That's called an edge.

Zoner gunboat turrets are an obvious advantage, we agree there. They are an advantage for every gunboat that mounts them. And that is the exact reason why you shouldn't be promoting their usage. It's an obvious mistake by the dev team, and shouldn't be so easily abused.
You are already a faction that has a lot of skilled players, if not the most, and I think you can manage without those, even if your enemies throw them at you.
Weapon exchange with an allied house is ok to some extent. I can only guess you wouldn't want to see RM Chimaeras in Texas. Huh, Chimaera with Firekisses :nono:
I suppose you are not using Bretonian equipment against the RM.

Concerning this subject, I have come to an obvious conclusion that GB turrets need much more variety in terms of speed, refire and power usage.

Regarding your example of the IMG, the Liberty Navy is one of the very few factions that people have a hard time bossing into unfavourable positions. I have no problem with exploiting this position, as America does (or perhaps, used to), and it could probably be argued that not to do so would not be in keeping with traditional American, hence Libertonian, foreign policy. Should the IMG, or other faction not based in Liberty try that line with us, what we lose is relatively little to what they lose (which would probably be docking rights in all of Liberty, as LN NPCs make everyone else red too).

And by 'other factions' you mean?
Because, I can easily see Kusari having a problem with 'certain mercenary groups' shooting their ships with Liberty weaponry.
And, House of Kusari isn't exactly the same as the Independent Miners Guild.
And given the current relations... Well, that wouldn't help those relations getting any better.

Alright, I'm not sure that I have anything left to say. At least nothing smart!
While I understand your reasonings as well, I don't agree with them.
Also, this is in no way a negative feedback, it's more of a discussion on different points of view. It might be a bit negative, since I really do think you don't need those guns, but that's more because you'd be setting up a wrong example then having a problem with Zoney guns scratching my paint.
I am also very glad you took so much time to answer my concerns in a very civilized manner.

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Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del