Current Order Status

[Tommeh]

Look Aubrey, dunno what did you wanted to say when you mentioned Order losing Minor andToledo in same sentence with Order| going down oorp wise (which I think you are overreacting) and all the losing of alliances, it is clearly you are not familiar with all the facts.

Whole idea of Order losing Minor was created and represented to Igiss by Order| folks.
We made the original idea, worked around all the details, made a huge effort to push it in 4.86.
We predicted what will happen with Order as long as Minor and Isis is there, and wanted to create new base of operations, new atmosphere, sadly Omicron Mu and 4.86 is where it is at the moment, and there is nothing we can do about it.

Many alliances have been made to make some new interactions, some of them worked some of them failed.
None of those were made/broken cause someone just felt so, they all had RP reasons and consequences.
And all of them lead to final end, Order getting to weak and losing Minor, it fits perfectly in my opinion and I don't see a reason why do you complain about those.

I could discuss all day what is wrong with Order, yes there is a lot of mistakes, and surely it could be better.
Thing is, there is no experienced playerbase interested in Order RP to help Leadership to correct those mistakes.Basicly, Order| leadership hasn't changed for a year or so, it was always me and Rod, yes we got fed up with everything, and yes we do mistakes, I am not even part of leadership anymore, new people have been assigned in, Golanski, Mario and Sly, but basicly there is much effort needed to fix things and people don't want this game to became hard work, as everyone always say: we are here for fun, not for another job. So, I would say, it's not that terrible, Order| has it's good and bad moments, like everyone else.

Many people know to complain and whine, when you ask them for solid proof, they say, I don't take screens of every wrong doing. As long as people have this kind fo attitude nothing will change.
You see Order| behaving bad? You think it is not good enough for Official faction? Take screen talk to leadership on skype.

For a year that I was Order| leader I had what 3,4 complaints.
No one can monitor their faction members constantly, are they experienced players or noobies.
You got some complain, talk directly to leader, don't whine and Q_Q over forums and use every oportunity to flame which several people are doing it right now.

You feel like things could be better? Start from yourself, log every day for half an hour in Minor and teach indies to RP or sometimes even proper english. Surely no one will stop you. And see the result after a month or so.
Aubrey, you remember when you just got in Order|, first time I met you, you were ordering some indies around, and when I warned you not to do it, you said: it's ok, I don't over do it.

Now you complain about the very own thing which you were doing yourself, this is why I don't take your complains seriously, you just know to point out mistakes, you don't do anything to stop them, you don't suggest how to fix them and even yourself were doing them....

I went over this kind of discussions milion times, and it basicly comes down to one conclusion:
You see Order| member behaving bad in any sense, you don't like and think it does not fit a Official faction member?
Talk to Faction leader and see his opinion, he knows his faction the best, if your complain was valid, things will get fixed hopefully. If not, it's either faction leader did not think your complain was alright, or he simply can not invest more of his time in attempt to fix things.

Sad, please don't give me bull, not single time you came to me with suggestion of some Order/Gaian RP in Newcastle, all you did INRP was silenty starting to support Coalition and threat Nomads as neutral. Dunno why it was such suprise that Order/Gaian relations went down.

My 2 cents as ex faction leader.

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