Current Order Status

[McNeo]

Third thing;
We should step down and allow someone else to take over? Who is willing to do that, tell me?
We worked our asses to bring some changes in Order for 4.86.
Things are already now getting bored, how would be nice that you know everything stays exactly the same even in 4.86?

Maybe we should step down, and then wait for what? For someone remember to make new Order faction?
Where are they now? If there is some people that are willing to fix things, why don't they speak up now.
It would be cowardless and lame from us to step down now when there is much work, although personally, I am thinking about it, but that's not my call, since I am not officialy in Order leadership anymore.

This is exactly what would happen if the Order| ceased to be.

Someone would make a new order faction. Remember, there needs to be a power vacuum before it can be filled. It's even how businesses work. A few enterprising people see a niche in the market that no other company has exploited, they set up a company to make money by filling and catering to that niche. They don't set up that company before the niche makes itself known or relevant to society, because then their business would fail before they could make any money.

It's easy to invalidate the above by saying "Well, who will replace us?" and just keep repeating that line. However, the Order are a popular faction, and it will take six months at the absolute maximum, closer to one month (and another month for the officiality procedure) for a replacement to form. I'm pretty confident there still exists some ambition to shape the Order faction amongst the younger community members here.

Furthermore, Smokey actually said parts of what I said, just in a less tactful way.

Other factions obviously dont have problems which you are having. And you are wrong. YOU should solve these problems because it is YOUR obligation, because it is YOUR faction. You took up this responsibility when you took up the leadership in the order, and when your HC was formed. Other people shouldnt be fixing YOUR problems for YOU. Time ran out Im afraid. These problems have been present for more than half a year already, and you keep fixing them, while obviously, you cant.

Whether or not you think he's right, an aweful lot of people agree with him. Anecdotal evidence of course, but I havent a particularly high opinion of the Order|, and those I spoke to about it a few months back didn't either. You'll find alot of that sentiment swirling around under the surface. I could highlight other factions that fall under a similar bracket, Order| certainly isn't alone, or the worst for that matter.

As for the assertion that alienating yourselves from your indies would result in a cataclysmic armageddon of apocalyptic proportions, the Liberty Navy distanced itself quite well from it's independent players. At the time, and I imagine now, the faction didn't go out of its way to persecute independent players, but nor did we go to lengths to take the blame for things that they did. This is how we avoided major fallouts with Kusari over Siege Cruisers in their space escorting shipments of what their law deemed to be contraband, and how we avoided a fallout with Bretonia over a Liberty Dreadnought plus assorted stuff chasing a Kusari battleship into Leeds. Neither event should've happened, therefore neither event had any lasting impact.

It will take a lot of convincing to show me that no longer taking responsibility for your indies will cause an implosion of the status quo. Then again, you don't have to convince anyone of anything, least of all me.