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3) if so ... what should be done to better things?

3.) My advice; Contact the Corsairs, apologize, offer them support, supplies, anything you can. Instead of treating them as enemies, make them friends. Apologize to those you have held grudges against, against those you have been rude to. But don't only apologize; Make sure to SHOW a different way of behaving. Don't say you're neutral, be neutral. Don't say you supply factions, do supply them. Reform the Zoners by example. Choose a vision of what you want the Zoners to be, and go out and make it happen. Not by being rude, demanding, controlling, but by being polite, supportive, respectful. I think this is what people want to see from the Zoners, and from the Omicroners especially.

can you elaborate on what to apologize for?


in that regard.... why can other factions be : rude, demanding, controlling
while you expect zoners to be ....: polite, supportive, respectful.

i have a few nice quotes of people in other factions who said that "being arseholes" is basicly their roleplay.


you do bring up a nice focus there that i guess might be the core of the problem some players have wth the zoner factions....


in your lengthy reply, you focussed very much on omicroners. - what you do not realize is that this faction does not mind having enemies - as it was kind of born in the wake of enemies. being paranoid - unforgiving and defensive is what its about.

the main question however is - does that ruin it for others?

and if that is so - in what way does it affect others not to be able to roleplay their RP anymore when one faction choses not to be polite, supportive, respectful.

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after that many replies - it might be the time to draw a picture of how zoners were preceived for a long time



- passive and kind of indifferent
- no "pvp" targets - but sometimes "targets"

- zoners were a faction that others could manipulate.
- zoners were sometimes attacked in the past ( long long past ) - but when the attackers felt like "it was enough" - peace was offered... and zoners always accepted.

- in the last years event - that last part sparked a lot of critizism WITHIN the official zoner factions. - peace was offered... and NOT accepted. - it was perceived as very rude - and ooRP.
- that decsion was made intentionally - the conflict was carried on beyond what the attackers wanted - peace was not offered... up to a point where the attacked ceased mostly due to the pointlessness.

- maybe it is that - which causes the problem. - zoners who do NOT submit and practicly become as "bad" as those attacking them seems / seemed "wrong" for many a players.



What you said, dab, might be reasonable in some way - but what i miss is some kind of multiperspective. - you say "zoners have to" - "omicroners have to" - and i totally miss what others have to do. - that is the main reason you are perceived as "anti" ( and we all remember that you tried to shape zoners when you played zoners yourself )



lets sum up what the factions appear to be about:

TAZ:
- religious or semi religious preachers ( not quite zealots imo )
- idealists but also isolationists
- traders of ther truth, of commodities and information
- well connected throughout sirius - interconnected via personal and factionwide networks that allows them to operate in a very wide ZoI
- not too restrictive - but protective. there is a clear line whats their and whats everyones
- reasonably unreasonable ( if you get the drift ) - somewhat chaotic, but not really chaotic.

OSI:
- traders based on contracts and individual trading
- the most "lawful" side of the zoners from my pov
- they are pragmatic and keep a neutrality by doing it mostly the junker way - stay below the radar... try not to mess up the "big" decisions
- it helps them to have a HQ in the core worlds
- OSI applies profound reason to their decissions from my experience - little emotion, so there is little grief, little enthusiasm ( or so it appears ) - it is rock solid

omicroners:
- defensive, paranoid, aggressive
- they deploy a military as the only zoner faction
- isolationists on bad terms with both neighbours ( BHG and corsairs )
- trade is mostly based on basic needs for an edgeworld - rather than the most profit for their members
- their ZoI is rather small, extending no further than slightly into the omega rim systems
- they know how valuable 74 is as a transit system and play that trump card ( or have been playing it )
- unreasonably reasonable - reason within omicroner reason - unreasonable for others sometimes. emotion and pride is a big factor.


OSI and TAZ mght add / correct me on my summary

so - the basic question was - does that harm the non-factionized zoners roleplay?

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