getting back on course or keeping it...

[Dab]

Don't know where you've got this information from, but it's not applying to the ZTC. We've made food supplies with three, sometimes even four or five Whales about five times a weak, over a longer period of time. The effect: Being confronted with such forged facts. Do we have to throw around with screenshots just to testify how forged the pseudo-rp reasons of the Corsair players were?
Also, it's complete nonsense to expect in-game roleplay in every timezone by every group. Ironically those who are crying loudest about missing food supplies are especially those who weren't never playing in our timezone. Nobody's fault, but also no argument at all. Exploiting this fact is a pathetic example for powergaming and, to take if further, anti-social behaviour.

Lou, what you're doing is blaming the Corsairs for not seeing you. How is it their responsibility to know you're trading food to Crete? Is it not the responsibility of the deliverer to make sure the recipient of his goods knows those goods were delivered? This is why expensive packages shipped these days require signatures on delivery. You should have been keeping a communication channel log filled with screenshots and logs of the supply deliveries. To blame the Corsairs for not being in your timezone is rather poor behavior.

Nah, the problem is that some cannot stand the fact that there's quite a group of players on this server, and believe me that it's not only the Omicroners, who are not tempted to polish some preferable apples for the sake of some crappy benefit of not being targetted by lolwut raids. The basic problem here might be as well that there's abolsutely no list one could use to know who of these inventory players demand that sacrifice to compensate other stuff actually nobody can be aware of.

Lou, you're trying to insult other people and claim they have a conspiracy against you, because they don't like it when you're rude? You're being rude right now. I don't like it. So I'm in a conspiracy against you because of it? No. While I'm responding politely, the roleplay of some factions, that would not be considered normal. If you're rude and arrogant to the Corsairs like you're being rude and arrogant to me and others with this paragraph, of course they are going to shoot you. No one likes someone who is rude to them. It's not a conspiracy. It's not because you're upsetting the established order of things. It's natural human reaction. People don't like people who are rude. Continue to be rude and you'll continue getting this response, and that goes for the real world as well. The Corsairs taking offense at your behavior is actually a superb show of roleplay, considering it's spot-on with how a real human being would react.

Actually, what for? For their own faults? Sure, everybody likes that of course, but you've also explained why it shouldn't happen:

What about your pride? You've taken what I said and used it to make the Corsairs look bad, but you've completely ignored any involvement of yourself. You're trying to throw attention on others to make yourself look better. This is exactly what I meant when I posted it. It's natural. But it also causes problems. You can't fix those problems until you can admit to yourself and others what you did wrong. Ignore what the Corsairs did wrong. You can only control your own actions. If you do everything you can to fix the problem, if you take responsibility, and the Corsairs ignore you, insult you, etc, than blame is placed squarely on their shoulders, and everyone will see it. However, what you're doing now is avoiding responsibility, which doesn't gain you respect, acceptance, or empathy.

That's the reason of this permanent forging. First there was a clear miscalculation of the own limits on Corsair side, then any means the Corsair players could summon failed, and in the end the situation has worsened to an extent where they have perverted the known RP. All of that without even a justifiable goal inRP. But still everybody's wondering why I'm calling this crap.

There is no permanent forging Lou. Corsairs raised an issue on how you conduct yourselves, you denied it, but had no evidence to support your claims, they insisted, you were rude, they were rude back, escalated. The problem isn't they forging things, the problem was you not documenting your actions. not establishing contracts with the Corsairs, etc. Notice that other Zoners did do this and the Corsairs did not try to kill them. Take an example from them. There are three Zoner factions and only one was targeted.. That should tell you that you did something wrong and the other two did something right. There is nothing wrong from learning from each other.

The Corsairs have not perverted the known RP. They've even given a plethora of infocards, all Vanilla, that justified their roleplay. You disregarded it, ignored it. That's why you are getting this response. Of course people are angry with you. You keep trying to blame someone for something that everyone else has already seen proof was justified. As long as you ignore that, you'll continue having problems with other factions and players.

What people are wondering, is why you are blinding yourself. The longer you persist in this willful blindness, the worse you make yourself look in people's eyes.

Sure, it wasn't really fair to play the roles against Zoner characters because passivity, an important aspect of Zoner RP, is the best option to make decisions, but while they were escalating further and further without being able to reach their goals they still had enough opportunities to back off. In the aftermath of their own failures it's pretty ridiculous how fact are being forged. Okay, I consider this to be the last thing anybody can do when screwing up things.

What failures? You keep alluding to failures, to forgeries, to problems the Corsairs made. But you give no evidence for this. And what about the problems you made? What about your failures. What you need to do is stop looking at what everyone else is doing and look at yourself. You can control yourself, you can't control others. You can waste time arguing with people, or you can spend time on what can actually be changed.

Of course they did, and I'm sure that mostly those who thought they could reach their own satisfaction through senseless powergaming suiting oorp motives must be pretty annoyed to see the result of their own doings. There wasn't the slightest idea of RP when the Corsair factions denied any forum RP at the time when the [A] started to enjoy their bandwagon. The initial mistake that was made by this, and it wasn't Zoners' or Omicroners'.

The only powergaming I saw was when the Corsairs "bombarded and destroyed Freeport 9", which was quickly removed by the moderators as such, and Corsairs were told not to make those threads again.

The Corsairs, while harsh, did roleplay the situation out. The OOC came into it when Zoners started making threads to complain about what was happening. Why would so many people comment on the Zoner Q_Q threads if the Zoners didn't make them? They wouldn't. Zoners did, accept it, move on.

The funny thing about it is that the vast majority is relying on hearsay. Or call it "neat" if you like.
Okay, what's going to come next? Just to give me something to laugh about. The demand to pay their ISP costs?

You're countering their hearsay (though most of their actions were backed up by infocards and roleplay) by using your own hearsay; That being that you were sending them food all the time.. But you have no evidence to show this. You're asking people to trust your words over the Corsairs', and the Corsairs had a lot more RP and Lore to back up their claims.

Nah, cannot work. Those making the first mistake have to make the first real step to a mending of relations. Anything else is inacceptable. If we'd have screwed something rp wise I'd be the first to acknowledge the ncessity of this step, but all of this wasn't happening based on RP ;-)

Again, you're ignoring any of your own mistakes. You're throwing blame on others again. This is what people are fed up with. Admit to your mistakes and move on, or stay in denial and problems will continue to arise.

Of course there is a perfect reaction - it's PLAYING the role, instead of hiding behind a pixelhunter bandwagon.
I understand completely that nobody likes to be confronted with his or her own mistakes but we had to apply this method in order to draw a clear line what we allow other players to do based on oorp intentions. So, I for myself understand the nature, the scope and the motives of such blames completely.

Lou, and there are many threads to back this up, the Corsairs DID play their role. Pretty extensively. They showed lore to back up their actions. The Zoners made threads on the forums to complain about it. You're blaming a faction for something they didn't do... You did.

But we are not going to correct a wrong with another. It's not worth it ;-)

That's right. You'll correct a wrong with a right. And right in this case, means accepting responsibility for your own actions, not complaining about others'.

Personally, I dont dislike the omicroners, and dont hate them. For who are you speaking there?

You know, you could apply the "every person sources their own fate and if people hate you you MUST have done something" to anyone and anything... even the way some people feel about some moderators, admins, and devs. Its kind of a hollow argument. So if I hate someone, its automatically their fault?

Fault? No. Did they play a factor in everything that happens to them? Yes.

that topic can be closed now - the tone of one of the moderators got a bit too hostile.for my taste - i usually abstain from personal attacks - but that is why i have you on ignore mostly - and keep ignoring you on the dev board, dab. - your tone simply is too hostile - too self absorbed.
the first 40 posts are very constructive indeed ( plus / minus one or two ) - the following ones became mostly throwing insults and accusations around. - not too constructive - but being a good example of the profound grief.

I've not insulted anyone in this thread, nor made accusations. You asked four questions, I answered them in an honest and very polite manner. Let me know which passages you feel weren't polite.



I'm not going to get into another Corsair vs Zoner argument though. I'll respond to anything that isn't about that, there are plenty of older threads that cover that issue extensively.

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