' Wrote:My issues (finally getting around to fully answering your question of me, noobl3t) come with execution of said roleplay, support of claims made accompanying desired roleplay, and what seems to be a refusal to accept the consequences of actions by Omicroner players, both InRP and OORP.
We've beaten this horse many times to the point we're making equine pudding, but I suppose I'm going to have to start at the point with which I see Zoner ideals diverged visibly among the faction. Yeah, back to the ZA split. I'll cover a few examples here, if I were to scour every single point over the past nine months I'd be here until Wednesday.
On the subject of Freeport 1, we saw what was apparently an Omicroner carrying contraband and what was declared by Bretonian law to be an unauthorized ship traversing their space, which was caught by the Bretonian authorities. What I saw that followed was OORP threads on the forums complaining about Bretonia's treatment of said player and something about Zoner hate. InRP, the response was to mass attack craft in Omega-3.
Why could have the reaction not been completely InRP? Why could we have not sat down with some Bretonian leaders and had a chat about the circumstances, whether or not said character had or had not done anything wrong by law, and whether or not Omega-3 was really Bretonia's to claim? Instead, we saw a response that seemed just as much about being upset OORP as it did showing Bretonia "Zoner might". Why would we possibly go up against a House over a single person and a Freeport? We sold one Freeport to the IMG, and another Zoner base to Synth Foods, so it's not that we're going to hold on vise-tight to our bases. There's one example of where we thing lore was disrespected. Instead of using words, Zoners went in guns blazing. Now, grain of salt, I do realize that the problem was nonetheless exacerbated by the bandwagoning and such that followed, but the basis of that issue stems from within Zoner ranks.
Move on to the Corsairs. This has been covered in length already, I'll be brief. Lou himself blamed other players for not being on at the right times to see your food deliveries. I'm not going to debate the validity of the Omicroner deliveries, but as part of a trade faction I know very well that it's on the shoulders of the courier to take and present evidence of such work. In this case, Omicroners relied on lore and a hearsay argument, it was one group's word against another. The Omis didn't really sit down and attempt to work things out until the Corsairs began bombarding the Freeport. OSI attempted to step in, but we stepped back out again when we realized that whatever deals we worked with the Corsairs, you guys were going to be up-in-arms and ready to shoot down any Corsair you saw. As Zoners, we're at the mercy of our neighbors. Instead, you guys told the Corsairs to eff themselves, essentially, and Zoners don't have the strength to do that, especially since we'd dissolved the ZA by that point.. Out of roleplay, accusations of powergaming, Zoner hate, and bias flew. I think the only event I can say with certainty was powergaming was the destruction of the Freeport, which was nullified by the administration. Grain of salt, Corsairs were very demanding, but again, hostility was the first reaction, not possible diplomacy. Not until we got our hind-ends handed to us.
When it came to task with the BHG in Delta, Omiconers sided with the Order. Why would we side with the Order? You stuck to them so fast that it ended in the BHG declaring what was effectively war on all Zoners. Hell, we weren't even together as the ZA at that point and you still managed to get us all in some hot water. I read the transcripts from the encounters in Delta. You know what I refer to the entire situation as? Dumb. It should've have happened. But because the Omicroners were so quick to agitations and not diplomacy we had some sizable issues.
More recently, at the beginning of the GMG-Kusari conflict, GMG absolved the Zoners of responsibility for their supply, they had it covered. Valiant as it was, the Omicroners stuck their noses right in the middle of a conflict to which we had no business mixing with. If a Zoner is to work to be neutral, why then would we do something that dangerous in the heat of the moment to supply an ally who already told us that while help would be appreciated, it wasn't necessary? So that we could be more allied? Instead, it got Omicroners blacklisted in Kusari for a time, to which the Omicroners both inRP and OORP complained.
Functionally, I tend to see Omicroners on the playerlist sitting in O-74 lately. I'm not sure what y'all do back there, but i sure hope it's entertaining. Last night, Daedric made a note that there was an Omicroner barge in New Berlin last night, and that as he's been running around and we've been looking around, a lot of trading for Omcironer supply happens between BHG and Corsair bases, which makes absolutely no sense given that you folks have made a point that when we were supplying you that we get our material from source planets and that Zoner history with the BHG and Corsairs, especially with the Omicroners, have been rocky at best. I try to not take too much stock in the regularity of these actions given that I don't have any evidence on hand, just word from guys I trust, but the thought that this occurs makes me a little dubious as to whether you've really got a functional grasp of how things work in these parts.
And, to bring things together, I think Dab's pointed out how OORP, Omicroners are quick to point a finger but slow to ever take blame. Even when mistakes have been made, we see Lou quick to point fingers and slough off onto other people. Jinx will call up a thread that is clear to bring up some words that are going to be tough to swallow and when such happens, caves under the pressure and wants a lock. We can't discuss any of this with anyone under any terms, because as soon as we do, the general reaction is that instead of accepting that there might be some legitimacy to an argument, we get pointed out our fallacy and the criticism doesn't stick around long enough to be of any effect.
So, to summarize noobl3t, my biggest issue with the Omicroners is their inability to stomach consequences, which leads to to roleplay events which would not quite befit a Zoner faction, regardless of what any of us define Zoners as. Conflict with the Omicroners only ends one way - everyone loses. Neutrlity isn't earned, it's granted because factions get tired of your nonsense and OORP wailing. And when we try to talk about it, we're wrong, plain and simple. It's exasperating. It's why at least OSI, if nto more groups, has resigned to just tolerating our situation and not forming anything new, because when we do try to set aside our differences, we get reminded of how we wronged you in the past.
To take a page from Silver's book, I'm going to go get a drink.
Understood. Me and Jinx will take this feedback on board as well. Thank you for that.
I am going to ask Omicroner players to desist posting in this thread for now. I doubt any more feedback will be useful.
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