Lets improve the gameplay between the Hessians and the Corsairs

[Reacher]

This is indeed very valid point, but sadly you can see how much personal hate is moving to my way for only saying obvious fact that the 4.86 corsair stuff is not a right match to the corsair enemy stuff-
that posts
Sadly you cannot expect much more also referred to in-game actions too. As you can see I "lie" about the nerfed guns. :rolleyes:

No more Solaris Osiris to lean on so now Corsairs have to stand alone on their skills in fighters.

[Govedo13]

Indeed this is good thing actually. Osiris was OP and it is good that it is not op however it needs second heavy slot in order to be useful again. I have 3 titans and one centurion I really like corsair fighters, does not get me wrong. Corsair 4.86 guns are meh- the fighters are more then fine.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Blodo]

Govedo... I know it's easier blaming devs than trying to up your own game. But you have so many people telling you otherwise, including other Corsairs and you just refuse to accept that the fault does not lie with Corsair equipment. I dunno what else to tell you. Changes to balance will not be made based on a skill mismatch between two groups, because that would be the very definition of bias that you claim the opposing side has.

[Charos]

Vito all I have to say is:

Less Cobra Commander and more Leonidas.

I'm offended by that because Corsairs aren't cool enough to be considered Spartans.

Go back to base hugging and shield running

They're more like Persians.

[Knjaz]

Govedo... I know it's easier blaming devs than trying to up your own game. But you have so many people telling you otherwise, including other Corsairs and you just refuse to accept that the fault does not lie with Corsair equipment. I dunno what else to tell you. Changes to balance will not be made based on a skill mismatch between two groups, because that would be the very definition of bias that you claim the opposing side has.

//Sorry for offtopic, but his point on Ossie second hardpoint is absolutely justified. Just use the Mako/Togo approach, they're in absolutely same league size, armor and powercore-wise. yes, I do understand it's not relevant to the thread.


But a battleship on the Crete's orbit... or, hell, between Tripoli and Crete (but that would be totally OP, tactically) might be relevant.

//EDIT: not to post second offtopic post, I'll answer to post below:

Yes, and how about Liberty or Rheinland? you know that the ability to have a choice between 2 is totally not the case. Second heavy slot is really important, because 1 mortar or missile or cerberus are of a very limited usefulness.

[Charos]

//Sorry for offtopic, but his point on Ossie second hardpoint is absolutely justified. Just use the Mako/Togo approach, they're in absolutely same league size, armor and powercore-wise.

Yes but Dragons/BHG don't have a second battleship to choose.

Corsairs got Legate which is more than enough because it's a heavy battleship. Osiris is ment to be support battleship.

[Laerethe]

Yes but Dragons/BHG don't have a second battleship to choose.

Corsairs got Legate which is more than enough because it's a heavy battleship. Osiris is ment to be support battleship.

The vast majority of the time, the Legate is unusable due to most fights happening in rocks. Other times when it isn't, you have to travel through rocks to get there.

Osiris has become our main battleship of late, not a support.

[leonidos]

4.85
Point 1: The thing is that hessian bomber and fighter are a way more superior then the corsair ones. This counts too for their guns.

In 4.85 Cosairs had the OP Osiris to compensate. On some weird Reasons hessians - RHA/RF and their Stormtroopers- ( insert all russ hessian factions here) raided gamma 24/7 with snubs and occasional IMG BS and hessian cruisers- I made around 60 m on my full solaris Osiris only by selling your equip in 1-2 months. 4.85 Medicore Ossiris Pilot(Me) could remove 5-6 RHA/RF fighters with 2-3 bomber supports without a problem. It was not cool towards hessians, on the same way that it was not cool to ride corsair homeword toward corsairs.
Point 2: Hessians angry because they found unfair that corsairs use Osiris vs Snubs and does not do group fights with Titans, corsairs done it because of point 1.
Most of the official RHA/RF hessians are more skilled in PvP then the official corsair faction players.
Corsairs on the other hand have the advantage of bigger player-base.
4.86
Point 3: Some <strike>Hessian High command </strike>Dev mega nerfed the Osiris and the rest of the sair stuff
Now the Osiris is mega nerfed. Due to some weird reason
Corsair guns are also nerfed- Pulses lost like 200 dmg and Salamancas got efficiency nerf. Corsair bomber was always crap- this together with both crap HFs. Legate is not usable due to the asteroid fields- 40 min are needed from Crete to Lambada hole if you are good Legate pilot.

Point 4: On some more weird Reason Hessians got Battleship somehow, on some more weird reasons they told us that they would not use it much, and at the begin of 4.86 there were 4-8 hessian battleships flown by RHA and RF in Crete orbit 24/7, same battleships shooting everything that undocks from the base.

Point 5: All possible factions are riding corsairs 24/7 except the Outcasts - this is even more weird.


Point 6: Devs/admins are not willing to balance the IDs not allowing 10 factions to Ride Gamma ( Core ID for example should not be able to move caps both in alpha or Gamma)
Point 7: Devs are not willing to proper balance corsair snubs in order to have any chance to figtt group fights, this made corsairs to use caps for snub brawls and the Devs nerved them too.

My personal option:
Sadly both sides made a lot of mistakes, however Hessian Official groups have a lot of Dev influence as it seems and they are making jokes with Joke gun like neutron Salamanca on 600 speed or joke ship like Osiris, or joke promises to add capital ship patrols in Gamma.since we all know that on full server the npcs are gone.
So most of the old players are not idiots- just sayin.
4 Things would fix the situation:
1: Give Gamma proper defenses that can stop alone without player interference Raids 1-3 Stationary Cruisers/Battleships near the important holes and Crete/Nerf the IDs of the half of the Riding factions not allowing them to be in Gamma.
2: Fix Osiris and make proper paths in the asteroid Fields in order to make Legate useful.
3: Fix Sair HFs and make them able to counter Odins.
4: Fix Corsair Guns giving them 150 more speed removing 300 DPS- make them 1800 DPS 4.0s with 750 speed and watch the show, or increase DPS AND efficiency.
5: Do nothing(Like adding useless NPC patrols) and continue to make people to idiots. There is no way not to have OORP problems when you make people to Idots really- it counts for both sides(Solaris Osiris in 4.85 and currnet corsair stuff in 4.86)

I see every word in here is true as I face these problems myself.
Practically i had charecters in every factions but i never had a single hessain charecter.
From history corsairs have supirior tech( practically carps for now ) while the hessains have huge numbers with medium ships and weps( practically quite opposite ).
Legates stucks so much in astoroids
Osiris with so few guns armour also less agilty
Pretorian big huge bomber moves like hell with normal power core
Titan which used to be the heaviest and finest ship is a basic vhf.

So many backstabs and they want to talk now.
They expect us not to hate!!!!

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[varoshanin]

4.85
Point 1: The thing is that hessian bomber and fighter are a way more superior then the corsair ones. This counts too for their guns.

In 4.85 Cosairs had the OP Osiris to compensate. On some weird Reasons hessians - RHA/RF and their Stormtroopers- ( insert all russ hessian factions here) raided gamma 24/7 with snubs and occasional IMG BS and hessian cruisers- I made around 60 m on my full solaris Osiris only by selling your equip in 1-2 months. 4.85 Medicore Ossiris Pilot(Me) could remove 5-6 RHA/RF fighters with 2-3 bomber supports without a problem. It was not cool towards hessians, on the same way that it was not cool to ride corsair homeword toward corsairs.
Point 2: Hessians angry because they found unfair that corsairs use Osiris vs Snubs and does not do group fights with Titans, corsairs done it because of point 1.
Most of the official RHA/RF hessians are more skilled in PvP then the official corsair faction players.
Corsairs on the other hand have the advantage of bigger player-base.
4.86
Point 3: Some <strike>Hessian High command </strike>Dev mega nerfed the Osiris and the rest of the sair stuff
Now the Osiris is mega nerfed. Due to some weird reason
Corsair guns are also nerfed- Pulses lost like 200 dmg and Salamancas got efficiency nerf. Corsair bomber was always crap- this together with both crap HFs. Legate is not usable due to the asteroid fields- 40 min are needed from Crete to Lambada hole if you are good Legate pilot.

Point 4: On some more weird Reason Hessians got Battleship somehow, on some more weird reasons they told us that they would not use it much, and at the begin of 4.86 there were 4-8 hessian battleships flown by RHA and RF in Crete orbit 24/7, same battleships shooting everything that undocks from the base.

Point 5: All possible factions are riding corsairs 24/7 except the Outcasts - this is even more weird.


Point 6: Devs/admins are not willing to balance the IDs not allowing 10 factions to Ride Gamma ( Core ID for example should not be able to move caps both in alpha or Gamma)
Point 7: Devs are not willing to proper balance corsair snubs in order to have any chance to figtt group fights, this made corsairs to use caps for snub brawls and the Devs nerved them too.

My personal option:
Sadly both sides made a lot of mistakes, however Hessian Official groups have a lot of Dev influence as it seems and they are making jokes with Joke gun like neutron Salamanca on 600 speed or joke ship like Osiris, or joke promises to add capital ship patrols in Gamma.since we all know that on full server the npcs are gone.
So most of the old players are not idiots- just sayin.
4 Things would fix the situation:
1: Give Gamma proper defenses that can stop alone without player interference Raids 1-3 Stationary Cruisers/Battleships near the important holes and Crete/Nerf the IDs of the half of the Riding factions not allowing them to be in Gamma.
2: Fix Osiris and make proper paths in the asteroid Fields in order to make Legate useful.
3: Fix Sair HFs and make them able to counter Odins.
4: Fix Corsair Guns giving them 150 more speed removing 300 DPS- make them 1800 DPS 4.0s with 750 speed and watch the show, or increase DPS AND efficiency.
5: Do nothing(Like adding useless NPC patrols) and continue to make people to idiots. There is no way not to have OORP problems when you make people to Idots really- it counts for both sides(Solaris Osiris in 4.85 and currnet corsair stuff in 4.86)

this...

And all that things what others say about skills bla bla ... why all "those" skilled players go to ]bd[, or wilde,RHA now sure, or that similar OP fraction that had OP ships? because of skill? i don't think so... so if ya skilled that much go to opposite fraction's that yours skills needed to improve less skilled players...

;)

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[Not Espi]

And all that things what others say about skills bla bla ... why all "those" skilled players go to ]bd[, or wilde,RHA now sure, or that similar OP fraction that had OP ships? because of skill? i don't think so... so if ya skilled that much go to opposite fraction's that yours skills needed to improve less skilled players...

i am in BD. i die constantly. i also know all of those people have indie corsairs, so guit lying to yourself.

as for the points govedo made, most are valid, yes. in the end, the 2010 rha could beat the so called 'overpowered' katanas in titans. why can't you? skill, team-play, strategy.