Junker Marauders | JM|-

[Junker Marauders]

[Feedback]

Generally, we try not apply the same technique we use on IMG| on other factions, as inRP we don't have the same reason to be as aggressive: IMG| placed a Sirius Wide bounty on us, often they are there to halt our piracy operations... etc.

However, the Marauders are very defensive when we are pirating. You shouldn't expect an easy encounter if you try to exterminate us whilst we operate.

Also, about the sundiving thing, I was the one who sundived at some point. However, it was an accident, I had actually meant to steer around the sun but rather than do that I unsuccessfully cruised straight into it >.>


Note: Jack's feedback goes un-replied to for now, as some, but not all, people are generally addressing the points I would make.

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[Haste]

[Feedback]

Generally, we try not apply the same technique we use on IMG| on other factions, as inRP we don't have the same reason to be as aggressive.
However, the Marauders are very defensive when we are pirating. You shouldn't expect an easy encounter if you try to exterminate us whilst we operate.

Vague and diplomatic, but not particularly helpful. I'll just direct you to this question again:

Sooo.. The only thing I'd like to know is whether you intend to keep playing like this, for that same reason of "Others did it to us first", or whether you view this as a mistake and intend to do better in the future.

Note that "Being defensive" can only be a reason if you're not the ones picking the fights or entering existing fights yourself. And honestly, I'm rather sure that your big bad nemesis Jack can use that same reasoning for his playstyle - if enemies interfere with your piracy, can you "gank" them to remove them? If you interfere with Jack's mining, can he "gank" your players and remove them?

It's important to note that I'm not trying to defend Jack here, as I've had my fair share of disagreements with him in the past, but his faction suited itself well to be used as an example.

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[Junker Marauders]

Sooo.. The only thing I'd like to know is whether you intend to keep playing like this, for that same reason of "Others did it to us first", or whether you view this as a mistake and intend to do better in the future.

Note that "Being defensive" can only be a reason if you're not the ones picking the fights or entering existing fights yourself. And honestly, I'm rather sure that your big bad nemesis Jack can use that same reasoning for his playstyle - if enemies interfere with your piracy, can you "gank" them to remove them? If you interfere with Jack's mining, can he "gank" your players and remove them?

Most of the time, we don't pick the fights. We hardly (or never?) have gone after an IMG| lead mining operation, as it's rare that we can muster the force to do so.
Jack does already 'gank' JM in order to remove them from the Taus, hence why we react accordingly in order to counter him.

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[Mercarryn]

Well, just went through the last 3 pages. And to be honest, I can understand Jack to some degree.

Yesterday, me and a few other Hogoshas had a little fight around Calli against the JM|. 2 Black Dragons + one Hogosha ID Claymore on our side. We saw a few JM| on playerlist and thought "hmm, let's see if we cannot raid them a bit.

Only 2 minutes after the first encounter and just right at the start of the fight, you receive reinforcements by a FL ID Bottlenose (which inRP was piloted by an official OC character afaik) and that Y| tagged GC ID Hachiman gunboat.

At first I thought that Y| tagged GC ID Hachiman gunboat in Tau 23 was just some random newbie who went on "Hogo, you dai". Now that I read something similar from Jack makes me wonder if the Y| during our fight was really an accident or rather intention? I mean, our Claymore did not last long and that missile Hachiman spammed our HF to death.

So far, the past encounters with JM| were ok, but now I have to ask the same question like Haste: Do you want to continue that sort of interaction? Or do you want to make things better?

[t0l]

Just on a side note, as JM players likely read this carefully: IMG's siriuswide JM bounty is getting reversed to just standard bounty zones. I don't like the oorp statement that siriuswide blanket bounties make and also the targets are meant to be combat/piracy craft in IMG ZoI and not really haulers somewhere in Liberty.

Anyway, good luck in your request.
You have my support and I hope you can make it.

As of 3/21/2014, 3:39 PM EST: The JM| is a Junker group that frequently steals ore and harasses IMG transports. They rarely fly alone and usually have a Salvager alongside their bombers/fighters.
Claimable:
- Sirius-Wide

[size=13]• JM| tagged: $5,000,000

You reap what you sow, mister Henderson.

And in this case, you have something you're going to reap, like it or not, from what I can see.

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[nOmnomnOm]

The only thing I'd like to point out is that Jack was not "whining" but stating his views and opinions on a matter. Please respect that and understand even though you have a different view than jack, hearing him "complain" , as you call it, is what this thread section is for in terms of feedback.

Ty

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[Kazinsal]

So yeah, had some more interactions with the JM on a couple different characters. Still pleased (especially after talking my way out of being pirated once. That's something you don't see every day, I tell ya hwat).

Keep it up.

Just on a side note, as JM players likely read this carefully: IMG's siriuswide JM bounty is getting reversed to just standard bounty zones. I don't like the oorp statement that siriuswide blanket bounties make and also the targets are meant to be combat/piracy craft in IMG ZoI and not really haulers somewhere in Liberty.

Anyway, good luck in your request.
You have my support and I hope you can make it.

As of 3/21/2014, 3:39 PM EST: The JM| is a Junker group that frequently steals ore and harasses IMG transports. They rarely fly alone and usually have a Salvager alongside their bombers/fighters.
Claimable:
- Sirius-Wide

[size=13]• JM| tagged: $5,000,000

You reap what you sow, mister Henderson.

And in this case, you have something you're going to reap, like it or not, from what I can see.

DANG. Ten points to Tal.

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Retired, permanently.

[Junker Marauders]

Well, just went through the last 3 pages. And to be honest, I can understand Jack to some degree.

Yesterday, me and a few other Hogoshas had a little fight around Calli against the JM|. 2 Black Dragons + one Hogosha ID Claymore on our side. We saw a few JM| on playerlist and thought "hmm, let's see if we cannot raid them a bit.

Only 2 minutes after the first encounter and just right at the start of the fight, you receive reinforcements by a FL ID Bottlenose (which inRP was piloted by an official OC character afaik) and that Y| tagged GC ID Hachiman gunboat.

At first I thought that Y| tagged GC ID Hachiman gunboat in Tau 23 was just some random newbie who went on "Hogo, you dai". Now that I read something similar from Jack makes me wonder if the Y| during our fight was really an accident or rather intention? I mean, our Claymore did not last long and that missile Hachiman spammed our HF to death.

So far, the past encounters with JM| were ok, but now I have to ask the same question like Haste: Do you want to continue that sort of interaction? Or do you want to make things better?

Actually, I would really like to apologize for that. Sure, you had two Black Dragons, though I feel we were a bit dirty going around dealing with you guys.
Funny story though, we were actually going to go and creep into T-29 to go RP with you, looks like you ambushed us first though xD.
But yeah, next time expect us not to repeat that same behaviour, as I feel Hogosha interactions are somewhat a special treasure.

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[Jack_Henderson]

About the Siriuswide bounty: Sorry boys, bounties used to be siriuswide always. It is nothing special. I was one of the factions that limited bounties to the general ZoI.

I also announced to restrict it, but then JM| went fully retard with idiot ships and ganks on me. When I wanted to talk about it, I was insulted and made fun of, and ganked harder next time. When the Annapurnas came to shoot my ships down, I tried to talk to Lyth again. No progress, just a thinly veiled "fuck you". That was when I said: Alright, your choice.

So... I do not know what your problem is with that bounty.

You have hit a fair share of IMG| ships, transports, miners.
The bounty hits some of your transports, miners because IMG cannot hunt in Texas or wherever your miners and transports are. And, you are not really hunted by anybody. You log off when the few active hunters turn up.

So... the bounty makes sense irply.
It is not malicious (or if, explain to me inhowfar), as it is pretty much totally normal for bounties to be sirius-wide. If a bounty is not sirius-wide, it is rather the exception.

And, seriously: the bounty has been hardly hurting you boys.

So... if you really say that "We can gank the living hell out of Jack and iMG because of a bounty that we do not even know of", I cannot reply much any more.

The reality is: You hate me. For whatever reason. You will not have seen an IMG gank for months, as we hardly have members to log for pvp any more. Ganks happened 6 months in the past. So, if you feel like punishing me for something that happened half a year in the past, I cannot do anything either.

I however have understood one thing: this is extremely personal for your kind. I am am kind of shocked how much this hate that has become so incredibly obvious in this thread is aimed at my person. I should just say "these are retards, it is the internet", but I cannot. It somehow actually touches me, because I do not feel that I deserve the hate, nor that the reasons I was given justify the behaviour towards me, and my faction.

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[Lord Caedus]

Sooo.. The only thing I'd like to know is whether you intend to keep playing like this, for that same reason of "Others did it to us first", or whether you view this as a mistake and intend to do better in the future.

Personally, I'm more than willing to step back and take a look at what BOTH sides are doing wrong. But I'm not going to do that until Jack/IMG drops their admittedly ooRP Sirius-wide bounty on us. Secondly, I can't speak for the TS chat gank fleet, as the majority of them aren't even members of JM and only show up to those fights purely for the reason of killing the IMG/making Jack mad.

That said, if you're going to complain here from now on, I'd appreciate it if you guys gave the names of the ships you have a problem with, or else I'm just going assume those that are complaining are merely doing so from a position of bias.

Quick side note on the position of using admittedly OP ships. Have you tried to fight in a Collector lately? Particularly against IMG, which seems to be entirely made up of Nyxs now. The Collector can't even use Codes right, it only gets three guns. We don't have a real gunboat, the Bulldog is good for dodging, but it isn't able to put out enough DPS to be truly effective, and we have a massive SHF that is supposed to be used as a bomber. It seems to be that we hear complaints about us using OP ships, when the IMG uses Nyxs and Marauders, both of which may not be OP, but are definitely very good ships, yet nobody seems to have a problem with that.

Edit: Jack posted while I was typing, so more things to cover.

The amount of actual IMG| official ships that have been pirated by the JM is extremely low, so unless you've decided to start counting Indy IMG ships as part of your faction, that argument doesn't have a lot of merit. Jack you also seem to be forgetting where this bounty on JM stemmed from in the first place. The IMG| bountied us on the behalf of MiCo| a group of independent IMG miners, who were probably some of the biggest lolwuts I've ever had the pleasure of attempting to RP with. They appearantly complained to the IMG|, who then demanded that we, the JM, give the IMG| money to compensate them for their losses, when we didn't do that, we got a bounty placed on us, which the IMG| had no real reason to place, if the MiCo| wanted us dead they could have easily bountied us themselves, they had plenty of money to do so. Oh, and MiCo| is a defunct group now anyway, so the original bounty the IMG| placed on us doesn't even have a point to be there anymore.

Furthermore, the bounty hurts us a lot more than you realise, since before it was Sirius wide we could go to Kyushu to pirate ships, but are now incapable of doing that because various people come to hunt us down. In fact, the JM rarely even gets to pirate anymore, we seem to spend almost the entirety of our time in Tau-23 fighting the IMG.

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