How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[BaconSoda]

outcasts long range scan shows a large group of corsairs gathered. What makes you think they WON'T take that opportunity to deal a major blow to their long time rival?

and you shouldn't be accusing anyone of acting oorp. none of the corsair leadership that is responcible for all this nonsense has come out once to say why they are fighting zoners and what they expect to get out of it.

Nearest answer i've gotten is that corsairs dont' need zoner food anymore. Which Dab and other admins have slapped down as powergaming.

Even if that was a legitimate reason. I don't need the food you have been supplying my people anymore is NOT a reason to open fire/make blockaids/rep the mass murder of countless people.(many of which could be corsairs that became zoners for more freedom, remember zoners are not a people, they are a gathering of everyone from all factions united for individual freedom.)

I've got both a corsair and a zoner character so i'm not hating on eather side but when flying in ether ship i've get to get a reason for this war from the corsairs.

The zoners have a reason that is valid, they are protecting their freeport. That is legit. What is your reason?

First off, Dab is not an administrator. Unless something has gone horribly, horribly wrong, Dab is definitely not an administrator.

1. General Terms & ConditionsServer administrators are:
Majkp, Korrd, Fellow Hoodlum, Malexa, Laowai, JihadJoe, Cannon, Athenian, Bear, Doc Holliday

Dab is a Moderator, so his voice only goes as far as the rest of ours in matters of the server and RP. He is not a voice of god on the server, he is just another player. He is here to clean up spam and help the administrators on the forums. He is not someone is dictates whether or not something is OoRP. Nowhere else has an "Administrator" deemed it OoRP to say that the Corsairs have found other suppliers.

Second off, just because someone else has a different interpretation of RP does not mean his interpretation is wrong unless you can prove it wrong (with evidence of it being noncanon, not hypotheticals). There are many rumors about the Corsairs being envious of the Zoners and distrusting of the Zoners. Just because you don't think it's friendly to attack them does not mean that the other Corsairs do not disagree with you. They are fulfilling their RP through attacking the Zoners and it is just as legitimate an RP as your being friendly to the Zoners.

Also, if you are a Corsair, you are a Corsair. There is once instance in vanilla which shows a Corsair who had defected, and that was the Rebel in Omicron Theta (Omicron Theta Diamondback wreck). All other instances show that when you are birthed as a Corsair, that is all you are. You are a Corsair until death. No doubt there are peculiarities, however those are few and far between who are, no doubt, hiding from the Corsairs. I really don't see any Corsairs ever renouncing their Corsair Vows (like the Rebel was documented to do) in order to live as a Zoner.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Teek]

Second off, just because someone else has a different interpretation of RP does not mean his interpretation is wrong unless you can prove it wrong. There are many rumors about the Corsairs being envious of the Zoners and distrusting of the Zoners. Just because you don't think it's friendly to attack them does not mean that the other Corsairs do not disagree with you. They are fulfilling their RP through attacking the Zoners and it is just as legitimate an RP as your being friendly to the Zoners.

Also, if you are a Corsair, you are a Corsair. There is once instance in vanilla which shows a Corsair who had defected, and that was the Rebel in Omicron Theta (Omicron Theta Diamondback wreck). All other instances show that when you are birthed as a Corsair, that is all you are. You are a Corsair until death. No doubt there are peculiarities, however those are few and far between who are, no doubt, hiding from the Corsairs. I really don't see any Corsairs ever renouncing their Corsair Vows (like the Rebel was documented to do) in order to live as a Zoner.

Your first paragraph contradicts your second.
In the first one you say that anyone can rp what they want, which is true. Then in your next paragraph you say you don't see any corsairs renouncing their corsair vows(btw there isn't any vows, your born on crete, your a corsair as far as racially, faction wise is up to your own rp. I've seen kusari bretonians. so its possible.)

Zoners come from EVERY faction.
Zoner history
quote from the wiki:
"As traders from the Edge Worlds emerged, now flying under an Independent banner, they attracted a flood of civilians who were largely impressed by the Zoners’ freedom and prosperity. The news of Zoners spread through Sirius attracting more and more people - craftsmen, veterans, scientists, artists and criminals - many of whom changed their identity and tore down all connections to their respective communities."


This is why when in the single player a freeport was destroyed it was such a big deal. it wasn't oh a few zoners died, oh well. It was all factions looking at that going WTF I had contacts/relatives/relations/business partners There!

another quote from the zoner history on the wiki:
most people of Sirius appreciated the Freeports as bastions of freedom where commodities could be traded and information gathered freely and unmolested by House authorities.



And I'll concede on the dab point, I saw admin on his forum name and assumed the rest so I'm wrong there. I will try to find the post where one of the admins does come out and say something though.

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[BaconSoda]

Your first paragraph contradicts your second.
In the first one you say that anyone can rp what they want, which is true. Then in your next paragraph you say you don't see any corsairs renouncing their corsair vows(btw there isn't any vows, your born on crete, your a corsair as far as racially, faction wise is up to your own rp. I've seen kusari bretonians. so its possible.)

Zoners come from EVERY faction.
Zoner history
quote from the wiki:
"As traders from the Edge Worlds emerged, now flying under an Independent banner, they attracted a flood of civilians who were largely impressed by the Zoners'€™ freedom and prosperity. The news of Zoners spread through Sirius attracting more and more people - craftsmen, veterans, scientists, artists and criminals - many of whom changed their identity and tore down all connections to their respective communities."
This is why when in the single player a freeport was destroyed it was such a big deal. it wasn't oh a few zoners died, oh well. It was all factions looking at that going WTF I had contacts/relatives/relations/business partners There!

another quote from the zoner history on the wiki:
most people of Sirius appreciated the Freeports as bastions of freedom where commodities could be traded and information gathered freely and unmolested by House authorities.
And I'll concede on the dab point, I saw admin on his forum name and assumed the rest so I'm wrong there. I will try to find the post where one of the admins does come out and say something though.

Oh look, something written by a player. Let me prove you wrong with canon directly from the game:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj139/K...lancer/Vows.png

This comes from the Zoners on Freeport 5. This is a proof. It uses direct evidence written in Freelancer canon to prove something wrong. Unless the Corsairs can say that they've changed this and anyone who is born a Corsair can fly off and do whatever he wants, this is the canonical truth. Corsairs are Corsairs. You are born a Corsair and die a Corsair. What you have given is written by a player and is thus a third party source. Everything on the Wiki is a third party source. Unless it is on the forums or in Freelancer itself, it is not really canon.

A Kusari in Bretonia is not something extraordinary. There were 800 years of peace, and so it makes sense that some citizens of one house would move to another and become citizens of that house. Sometimes, cultural values are more important than racial values.

You can have an interpretation of canon, but what you are talking about must be canon. You can't suddenly say "The Rheinland Military has annexed the Magellen system. They have always had a keen eye on this system and now seek to strike at Liberty from within it!" because that's utter tripe according to the Canon given to us by the developers. I have no problems with people coming to help the Zoners, that is your RP to play which is not anti-canon, but pushing RP on the Corsairs because you view their canon-RP differently is not right. Everyone may interpret their RP, but they must stay true to their faction's RP in the first place.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Teek]

Oh look, something written by a player. Let me prove you wrong with canon directly from the game:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj139/K...lancer/Vows.png

by your own canon, he was corsair military so of course he had vows there, the normal corsair citizen wouldn't have the same vows.

"captured as a young corsair on his first mission to the inner house systems"

meaning military. Thus my point still stands.

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[Albert]

Although I totally fail to see why this is an important issue, I think its not unlikely some people who were born on crete would want to leave the violent hellhole that is the corsair empire. Im pretty sure Corsairs must have women, children, and caring fathers that would want to get a different future.

[Shryke]

All this talk of weaknesses.. What's the Zoner weakness?

Genuine question, not trolling or flaming.

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[DarthBindo]

@Teek.
The Corsair Empire is like Israel.
Everybodys part of the military.
its a militarized state.
EDIT:
Also...
I wonder if perhaps you have a particular love for one npc faction.....
Zonerzonerzoners.
They can be told apart from the rest.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[DAnvilFan]

All this talk of weaknesses.. What's the Zoner weakness?

For starters:

--Decentralized
--Considerably less military experience
--Constantly have to deal with NFZ (vanilla lore concept) and are therefore pretty much hated by everyone (vanilla lore has this too)
--Can't enforce anything due to everything stated above. (this is more in-game than in Single Player lore)

[Shryke]

Decentralized? Eh.. could be beneficial, really. For example, the Corsairs' beef is with the FP9 and O-74 Zoners. The others, not so much.

Military experience? Yep, I'll agree with that.

NFZ? Hardly a disadvantage. It's hard to enforce solely due to game mechanics being what they are.

I'd wager your small population would be a bigger disadvantage than the NFZ.

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[globalplayer-svk]

and you shouldn't be accusing anyone of acting oorp. none of the corsair leadership that is responcible for all this nonsense has come out once to say why they are fighting zoners and what they expect to get out of it.



The zoners have a reason that is valid, they are protecting their freeport. That is legit. What is your reason?

part 1: yes yes, all is corsairs fault... zoners are innocent... even when seph tryed to solve things and was ignored..... (you can find it on forums...)

part 2: hmmm so i put only few of them

a: they are not bringing food
b: we are securing our borders, since even YESTERDAY undocked a ship from freeport and attacked me... (and you can find really really many threads where corsairs complained about this in past)
c: they invaded omicron gamma with joined forces of order (which is in cannon not enemy of corsiars .......
outcasts, hessians and SCRA... which in cannon doesnt exist and is here, and make good work and rp... )

enough reasons to claim something right in front of your doors?....

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