Dundee Pew: GRN| vs BAF| (Poll for next pew)

[Thunderer]

New London has too much scrap, NPCs that flip large ships and a lot of stations to hug or accidentally run into. Manchester has the same problem, while Magellan is too usual, same as Leeds.

Newcastle, Edinburgh and Dundee however, have a lot of vast, empty spaces, without as many NPCs as other systems, while also not being usual, which makes them ideal for large fleet battles.

I am for Dundee (or Newcastle). If the Bretonians win, I'd like the next event to take place in Edinburgh, with the Bretonians invading.

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[An'shur]

Yes, Newcastle would be something new. I am for it!

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[Cashew]

Okay. I am going to set up a new thread with a new poll.

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[Thunderer]

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[Highland Laddie]

I agree with New London. Gallic Royal Navy is not yet interested into anything else but Bretonia. And New London is a very good place, because... Well. If it was captured, it would pressumably harm Brets morale.

And kinda off-topic, but connected to the War. Can we expect the Bretonian/Leeds Royal Navy, cooperating with GRN - using Bretonian stuff?

What Bretonia/Leeds Royal Navy? Any BAF combat ships would have been evacuated with the fleet,.and the planet is too combat-ridden to be producing ships on any kind of fleet-building level. If you want to fight the BAF alongside GRN....why not just fly GRN? Bretonia doesn't need "new" enemies that don't make much inRP sense.

[Cashew]

Okay we can forget about this thread now, new one is here

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[Fluffyball]

I agree with New London. Gallic Royal Navy is not yet interested into anything else but Bretonia. And New London is a very good place, because... Well. If it was captured, it would pressumably harm Brets morale.

And kinda off-topic, but connected to the War. Can we expect the Bretonian/Leeds Royal Navy, cooperating with GRN - using Bretonian stuff?

What Bretonia/Leeds Royal Navy? Any BAF combat ships would have been evacuated with the fleet,.and the planet is too combat-ridden to be producing ships on any kind of fleet-building level. If you want to fight the BAF alongside GRN....why not just fly GRN? Bretonia doesn't need "new" enemies that don't make much inRP sense.

Using the captured equipment is a rather common tactic during the war. Gallic Royal Navy uses different fuel than whole Sirius, so it would be more reasonable to use a few captured vessels using H-Fuel rather than 1) risk elimination of Gallic fuel convoys by the third parties or 2) put into shipyards every single possible capital ship to remodify vessel for usage of Sirian fuel. Gallia would also recruit the new crew from the local areas, rather than move new people from their own soil (they need someone to run economy though). And think of Vichy France here, this is why usage of Bretonian line (I'm not speaking even about caps, but mere fighters here) by Bretonians, who surrendered to the Gallics, would be very interesting for RP.

I forgot there's Gallic Foreign League, where all can sign up, but the problem is they ID are nerfed (how much is it, 10%?) Moreover, I doubt everyone would be so loyal to the Bretonian Crown and would change sides with whole Bretonian vessel or even division. Reasons would be different though, like an offer you can't refuse (like "defect to GRN or we will kill your wife after we do some bad things to her, and about your kids..."). Soldiers are soldiers, but they are also human beings after all.

Also, I don't believe all Bretonian citizens are happy about being loyal to the Bretonia. Those are almost broken people, with enemy in their gates, no, they are ALREADY on their own soil. Military morale is one thing, but civilians are the force that they should cope with and be aware of. No one in history won with angered crowd, just prolonged the anger - and firing, after the border line, at your own people would be surely used by the other force.

As for BAF, they should use ploy that was used in one good military sci-fi anime "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" (no mecha; based on the books). Imperial forces allowed Free Planets to gain their territories (leaving no food behind what forced the opposite side to supply colonies), but later then cut their supply lines, what forced Free Planets to pillage newly-"liberated" systems. As a result it lead to the rebelions in all these systems, which allowed Imperials to strike back.

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[Highland Laddie]

I agree with New London. Gallic Royal Navy is not yet interested into anything else but Bretonia. And New London is a very good place, because... Well. If it was captured, it would pressumably harm Brets morale.

And kinda off-topic, but connected to the War. Can we expect the Bretonian/Leeds Royal Navy, cooperating with GRN - using Bretonian stuff?

What Bretonia/Leeds Royal Navy? Any BAF combat ships would have been evacuated with the fleet,.and the planet is too combat-ridden to be producing ships on any kind of fleet-building level. If you want to fight the BAF alongside GRN....why not just fly GRN? Bretonia doesn't need "new" enemies that don't make much inRP sense.

Using the captured equipment is a rather common tactic during the war. Gallic Royal Navy uses different fuel than whole Sirius, so it would be more reasonable to use a few captured vessels using H-Fuel rather than 1) risk elimination of Gallic fuel convoys by the third parties or 2) put into shipyards every single possible capital ship to remodify vessel for usage of Sirian fuel. Gallia would also recruit the new crew from the local areas, rather than move new people from their own soil (they need someone to run economy though). And think of Vichy France here, this is why usage of Bretonian line (I'm not speaking even about caps, but mere fighters here) by Bretonians, who surrendered to the Gallics, would be very interesting for RP.

I forgot there's Gallic Foreign League, where all can sign up, but the problem is they ID are nerfed (how much is it, 10%?) Moreover, I doubt everyone would be so loyal to the Bretonian Crown and would change sides with whole Bretonian vessel or even division. Reasons would be deifferent though, like an offer you can't refuse (like "defect to GRN or we will kill your wife after we do some bad things to her, and about your kids..."). Soldiers are soldiers, but they are also human beings after all.

Also, I don't believe all Bretonian citizens are happy about being loyal to the Bretonia. Those are almost broken people, with enemy in their gates, no, they are ALREADY on their own soil. Military morale is one thing, but civilians are the force that they should cope with and be aware of. No one in history won with angered crowd, just prolonged the anger - and firing, after the border line, at your own people would be surely used by the other force.

As for BAF, they should use ploy that was used in one good military sci-fi anime "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" (no mecha; based on the books). Imperial forces allowed Free Planets to gain their territories (leaving no food behind what forced the opposite side to supply colonies), but later then cut their supply lines, what forced Free Planets to pillage newly-"liberated" systems. As a result it lead to the rebelions in all these systems, which allowed Imperials to strike back.

Bad example for several reasons:

1. Gallia has IDF to supply fuel convoys, which eliminates any real need for a 3rd party supplier, and their supply lines are fairly secured with IMG, Kusari, and Gaians being neutral to friendly. Not to mention, their fleet is supposedly bigger than all the Houses combined (which is inRP dumb).

2. Leeds isn't Vichy France circa 1941. Gallia doesn't entirely control the surface of Leeds. And if you wanted to stick with that example, Germany didn't use captured and coerced foreigners to control such key territory (particularly because they wouldn't be that trusted). Vichy France was tasked with defending minor military outposts in Africa, not sent to hold the line behind the Eastern Front.

[Fluffyball]

Germany didn't use captured and coerced foreigners to control such key territory (particularly because they wouldn't be that trusted).

You are very wrong on this one.

Germans used Ukrainians, Russians, some other minorities (those opressed by USSR). There were even whole divisions completly made from "volounteering nations", like Sweden, former Czechoslovakia (then: Slovakia and occupied Czech), Norway, Croatians, Netherlands (!) or even UK or France (!!). Not to mention Romanian, Hungarian, Polish (!) ones. I've even read about a special division entirely made of such nation as Mongols, Siberians, Russian Chinese (who defected after capture onto German Side). Japanese on the other hand used a lot of minor nations (Han Chinese, Manchu, Koreans, Taiwanese - not current Taiwan Chinese! - Malay and some other) to fill their ranks.

About the capturing stuff: Germany during WW2 widely used the USSR made tanks and weaponry, because it was way more reliable than German ones at some points. During the Vietnam War US made some squads using AK-47, because their "new" guns were very... unlikely to be used in such climate. USA dropped that idea because of very common friendly fire in the jungle (AK-47 makes very distingiushable rattle).

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[Highland Laddie]

Germany didn't use captured and coerced foreigners to control such key territory (particularly because they wouldn't be that trusted).

You are very wrong on this one.

Germans used Ukrainians, Russians, some other minorities (those opressed by USSR). There were even whole divisions completly made from "volounteering nations", like Sweden, former Czechoslovakia (then: Slovakia and occupied Czech), Norway, Croatians, Netherlands (!) or even UK or France (!!). Not to mention Romanian, Hungarian, Polish (!) ones. I've even read about a special division entirely made of such nation as Mongols, Siberians, Russian Chinese (who defected after capture onto German Side). Japanese on the other hand used a lot of minor nations (Han Chinese, Manchu, Koreans, Taiwanese - not current Taiwan Chinese! - Malay and some other) to fill their ranks.

About the capturing stuff: Germany during WW2 widely used the USSR made tanks and weaponry, because it was way more reliable than German ones at some points. During the Vietnam War US made some squads using AK-47, because their "new" guns were very... unlikely to be used in such climate. USA dropped that idea because of very common friendly fire in the jungle (AK-47 makes very distingiushable rattle).

Re-read my post. I didn't say they weren't used, but it's HOW they were used that is important.

From what I've read of history, many of the captured/recirculated soldiers from the Eastern Front were NOT used on the Eastern Front, but were shipped west to the Atlantic Wall to support German units against the impending Allied invasion (which most of them did very poorly....some would even suspect on-purpose). Reasons for this range from 1) Germans were afraid they would support the resistance, or 2) Germans were afraid they would simply be seen as collaborators and shot by the resistance.

Sure...I wouldn't find it terribly hard to imagine there would be some Leeds civilians upset with things (ignoring the fact that a LARGE part of the civilian population was evacuated), but I don't think civilians would just jump at the first opportunity to fight AGAINST their Bretonian brothers alongside the folks who just invaded them, especially while the fight on the planet is STILL GOING. It seems very implausible to me. It also seems implausible to me that a force like the GRN would be so eager to employ them, when they are apparently already strong enough to deal with them without help.

USA dropped that idea because of very common friendly fire in the jungle

Yeah...so your own example there is more of a strike AGAINST your own idea...