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[Die Weiße Rose]

Current roster updated.

[Durandal]

Another faction writeup where the Hellfire Legion is unlisted. Also Vespucci listed as a no-go zone is a little silly to me when half the system is open to anyone who isn't outright unlawful or a Republic lawful.

You can mark us up as neutral and list Vesp as lawful trading if you'd like.

[Enkidu]

Good luck. I hope you succeed. It's lonely up here in the Rheinland official Unlawfuls.


Are you going to stay unlawful, or go for Quasi? Rheinland needs another fully unlawful group right now, not a quasi.

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THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's outlawed trade unions, determined to take the underworld for themselves.)

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[Bulldog.]

Good luck, hope we run into each other real soon

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[Die Weiße Rose]

Another faction writeup where the Hellfire Legion is unlisted. Also Vespucci listed as a no-go zone is a little silly to me when half the system is open to anyone who isn't outright unlawful or a Republic lawful.

You can mark us up as neutral and list Vesp as lawful trading if you'd like.

Done. The map will still have to be updated, though.

Are you going to stay unlawful, or go for Quasi? Rheinland needs another fully unlawful group right now, not a quasi.

So far we don't plan to go for quasilawful. However depending on what the future might bring for us, how the power struggle inside Rheinland and especially the power struggle inside the Bundschuh as a whole will evolve, it might change. For now we'll stay unlawful, though.

[Enkidu]

Spoiler

Message Received
Neural Net Access Code 9.472.0018.35

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Date: 825 AS
To: Samuel Locklear, Lord Commander, Hellfire Legion.
From: Tanya von Degurechaff, Oberst of Die Weiße Rose.
Topic: Frist Contact.
Origin: House of Rheinland
Encryption: High

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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren of the Hellfire Legion,

On the behalf of our movement i am allowed to make the following statement - Weiße Rose never considered holding any hostilities towards Battlegroup Harmony, as we equally frankly crossed each others' zones of interest and operations, and, certainly - never interfered each others' business, besides one shameful exception of Helena Wunderbring going rogue and threatenig Harmony logistics vessel. This accident, however, was never sanctioned or approved by the rest of the members of our movement,
and the said person no longer considered trustworthy.
At the first opportunity, she will be subjected to interrogation and convicted in accordance with our statute.
However, your honest desire for cooperation have been noted, and now we will proceed to the exact subject of out contact. The Unioners.
As far as we are concerned - their fleet mostly consists mostly of snubcraft wings, however, capital ships was noted amongst the smaller vessels as well: their capital fleet consists of at least two 'Bismark" class battleships, one "Donau" class cruiser and two "Oder"
class gunboats, apparently obtained from Military by some unknown means, most likely - boarded. Meanwhile, no reports of Unioners operating in Rheinland was recieved so far, this only prooved the theory they are aware of something, and mostly sticking to Bering.
Reasons, however, are unknown.
Providing the list of currently known installations below:

1. Cruiser Schwarzwald, Omega-54, Sector Beta-2. Was reported by our Hessian allies.
   
2. Krefeld Base, Koeln, Sector Epsilon-3. Noted by local Freelancer patrols.
   
3. Leipheim base, Munich, Sector Delta-2. Noted by local Budschuh patrols.
   
4. Speyer base, Frankfurt, Sector Epsilon-7. An eyesore of our Homeland.
   
5. Wedel Mining Facility, Hamburg, Sector 4-Gamma. Noted by local Bundschuh patrols.
   

I believe, this is pretty much everything i have to tell you so far. I hope this information satisfies you.

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Attachments: None.

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End of Message

Metagaming base locations during your officaldom vote.

Cool. Seriously, this is not okay. We would never randomly state locations like we're reading from the online nav-map about stations we rarely approach. How do you guys even know about the Schwartzwald's current position? The entire RP of the cruiser right now is that it's been concealed in the most impenetrable nebula in the omegas. Speyer is also meant to be hidden. The only bases you could viably know about in that kind of context is Pacifica and Wedel - and Wedel masquerades as an abandoned mining facility to avoid attracting undue attention.


At least do an event or something if you're going to handwave stuff like that into reality. It would create activity for both groups and be co-mutually enjoyable. Unless you want us posting all sorts of inane details about the Bundschuh in our RP. By this logic, the Unioners know the entire content of the Alaska system. I mean, huh? By this logic we might as well consider the content of all comms in the comm channel In-character viewable.

You guys are usually great at what you do, so this caught us really offguard.

By this logic I'm going to put "noted by patrols" next to every discreet or non-public thing in the cosmos. We're perfectly fine with you coming to our bases for encounters. Using knowledge of bases without developed RP? That's a bit weird.


I hope the mods scrub that so you can revise. The bit about the player-owned ships was pretty neat, as that's all something legitimately observable from encounters. Magically knowing the location of pirate bases ruins the suspension of disbelief for space being vast, nebulae and asteroid fields actually being treacherous, and above everything else, people being smart.

For context, the only Bundschuh base the Unioners RP awareness of is the Neu Berlin ex-LWB base. They're vaguely aware of Bleifeld but have no clue what the location is.

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THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's outlawed trade unions, determined to take the underworld for themselves.)

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[Hakugei]

Spoiler

Message Received
Neural Net Access Code 9.472.0018.35

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Date: 825 AS
To: Samuel Locklear, Lord Commander, Hellfire Legion.
From: Tanya von Degurechaff, Oberst of Die Weiße Rose.
Topic: Frist Contact.
Origin: House of Rheinland
Encryption: High

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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren of the Hellfire Legion,

On the behalf of our movement i am allowed to make the following statement - Weiße Rose never considered holding any hostilities towards Battlegroup Harmony, as we equally frankly crossed each others' zones of interest and operations, and, certainly - never interfered each others' business, besides one shameful exception of Helena Wunderbring going rogue and threatenig Harmony logistics vessel. This accident, however, was never sanctioned or approved by the rest of the members of our movement,
and the said person no longer considered trustworthy.
At the first opportunity, she will be subjected to interrogation and convicted in accordance with our statute.
However, your honest desire for cooperation have been noted, and now we will proceed to the exact subject of out contact. The Unioners.
As far as we are concerned - their fleet mostly consists mostly of snubcraft wings, however, capital ships was noted amongst the smaller vessels as well: their capital fleet consists of at least two 'Bismark" class battleships, one "Donau" class cruiser and two "Oder"
class gunboats, apparently obtained from Military by some unknown means, most likely - boarded. Meanwhile, no reports of Unioners operating in Rheinland was recieved so far, this only prooved the theory they are aware of something, and mostly sticking to Bering.
Reasons, however, are unknown.
Providing the list of currently known installations below:

1. Cruiser Schwarzwald, Omega-54, Sector Beta-2. Was reported by our Hessian allies.
   
2. Krefeld Base, Koeln, Sector Epsilon-3. Noted by local Freelancer patrols.
   
3. Leipheim base, Munich, Sector Delta-2. Noted by local Budschuh patrols.
   
4. Speyer base, Frankfurt, Sector Epsilon-7. An eyesore of our Homeland.
   
5. Wedel Mining Facility, Hamburg, Sector 4-Gamma. Noted by local Bundschuh patrols.
   

I believe, this is pretty much everything i have to tell you so far. I hope this information satisfies you.

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Attachments: None.

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End of Message

Metagaming base locations during your officaldom vote.

Cool. Seriously, this is not okay. We would never randomly state locations like we're reading from the online nav-map about stations we rarely approach. How do you guys even know about the Schwartzwald's current position? The entire RP of the cruiser right now is that it's been concealed in the most impenetrable nebula in the omegas. Speyer is also meant to be hidden. The only bases you could viably know about in that kind of context is Pacifica and Wedel - and Wedel masquerades as an abandoned mining facility to avoid attracting undue attention.


At least do an event or something if you're going to handwave stuff like that into reality. It would create activity for both groups and be co-mutually enjoyable. Unless you want us posting all sorts of inane details about the Bundschuh in our RP. By this logic, the Unioners know the entire content of the Alaska system. I mean, huh? By this logic we might as well consider the content of all comms in the comm channel In-character viewable.

You guys are usually great at what you do, so this caught us really offguard.

By this logic I'm going to put "noted by patrols" next to every discreet or non-public thing in the cosmos. We're perfectly fine with you coming to our bases for encounters. Using knowledge of bases without developed RP? That's a bit weird.


I hope the mods scrub that so you can revise. The bit about the player-owned ships was pretty neat, as that's all something legitimately observable from encounters. Magically knowing the location of pirate bases ruins the suspension of disbelief for space being vast, nebulae and asteroid fields actually being treacherous, and above everything else, people being smart.

For context, the only Bundschuh base the Unioners RP awareness of is the Neu Berlin ex-LWB base. They're vaguely aware of Bleifeld but have no clue what the location is.

Now calm your tits. I am barely playing for year on this server, and pretty much not aware of such stuff, your yelling here is pointless. Also, all the "metagaming" was removed, so stop crying.

[Enkidu]

The purpose of feedback threads is to provide critique to conditions that disturb the gameplay of others - it's a place for grievances to be aired, which can be processed or ignored depending upon the character of the individual and the nature of the response. It's all up to you how you take it. I'm a personal fan of DWR. 'Crying' never came into this.


Thank you for responding as you did, and for being candid. I hope your group becomes official. We all made mistakes that got us heckled when we were new. I still make booboos that get me heckled after five years.

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THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
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[Enkidu]

Hey, I don't mean to bother people over this, but UN is only allowed about two non-SRP battleships, and Ice owns one, entirely equipped with equipment and armour UN paid for. It's meant to be an HQ shared.


I've been trying to get the ship back from Ice Princess for months, but they're not responding to my PMs and this is the last place I can ask. That's a lot of equipment/It's a ship with forum RP behind it. Can you talk to him so we can get it back? Thanks. It's starting to be a problem.


Hope you guys get approved.

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THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
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["Jade Fire"]

Hey, I don't mean to bother people over this, but UN is only allowed about two non-SRP battleships, and Ice owns one, entirely equipped with equipment and armour UN paid for. It's meant to be an HQ shared.


I've been trying to get the ship back from Ice Princess for months, but they're not responding to my PMs and this is the last place I can ask. That's a lot of equipment/It's a ship with forum RP behind it. Can you talk to him so we can get it back? Thanks. It's starting to be a problem.


Hope you guys get approved.

I'm not apart of DWR but I can PM Ice right now on discord if you can give me a moment, this will be alot faster for you

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