Why is PvP so damn difficult?

[Karlotta]

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+1

Keep in mind that if you first use a pencil for the first time in your life, you won't be a professional artist on the first try.

But the aim of the game is not to become a professional PvPer. It's to have fun.

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[Internity]

I agree with your post NomNomomNom. Nothing more to add, I have been asking for the same things for months, years and I got yelled at.

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LNS Ithaca

[Kauket]

Keep in mind that if you first use a pencil for the first time in your life, you won't be a professional artist on the first try.

But the aim of the game is not to become a professional PvPer. It's to have fun.

That isn't the point. The meaning of that is, "you don't become amazing at something in the first go"

It has nothing to doing 'wanting' to be one.

[SnakThree]

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+1

Keep in mind that if you first use a pencil for the first time in your life, you won't be a professional artist on the first try.

But the aim of the game is not to become a professional PvPer. It's to have fun.

People have fun by being one of the best players in game. Whether it is by quantity of verbal/written roleplay or quantity of combat roleplay successes.

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[Karlotta]

Keep in mind that if you first use a pencil for the first time in your life, you won't be a professional artist on the first try.

But the aim of the game is not to become a professional PvPer. It's to have fun.

That isn't the point. The meaning of that is, "you don't become amazing at something in the first go"

It has nothing to doing 'wanting' to be one.

But not everyone wants to be amazing at pvp.

Most people want to not die all the time.

Most people want to see a little success from their efforts from time to time. If you make sure they will never, ever, ever, ever win against the people who blow them up every day, you're denying them that, in favor of a 100% success rate for others.

And if you think people shouldnt mind dying so much, lead by example.

Most people want to have fun.

Take away what people want, and they'll have no reason to stay.

People have fun by being one of the best players in game. Whether it is by quantity of verbal/written roleplay or quantity of combat roleplay successes.

You can be the best PvPer in the game without killing every weaker player you come across.

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[Kauket]

Keep in mind that if you first use a pencil for the first time in your life, you won't be a professional artist on the first try.

But the aim of the game is not to become a professional PvPer. It's to have fun.

That isn't the point. The meaning of that is, "you don't become amazing at something in the first go"

It has nothing to doing 'wanting' to be one.

But not everyone wants to be amazing at pvp.

Most people want to not die all the time.

And if you think people shouldnt mind dying, lead my example.

Most people want to have fun.

Take away what people want, and they'll have no reason to stay.

Stop taking it out of context. This was a reponse to "I don't want to train/get better so that means the game is unfair so everyone else has to suffer because of my laziness" kind of attitude in the post

[Karlotta]

Stop taking it out of context. This was a reponse to "I don't want to train/get better so that means the game is unfair so everyone else has to suffer because of my laziness" kind of attitude in the post

I don't think the OP would agree to your interpretation of the context of his words.

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[Kauket]

Stop taking it out of context. This was a reponse to "I don't want to train/get better so that means the game is unfair so everyone else has to suffer because of my laziness" kind of attitude in the post

I don't think the OP would agree to your interpretation of the context of his words.

I don't care, it's what is essentially happening in this thread because it's just an unsavable mess, but it's a genuine fact that for any FPS game you'll require some basic practice at aiming.

[Jack_Henderson]

Most people want to see a little success from their efforts from time to time. If you make sure they will never, ever, ever, ever win against the people who blow them up every day, you're denying them that, in favor of a 100% success rate for others.

+1

And balancing should make exactly THESE little moments of success easier to get.

Keyword / solution: noob-tubes, as mentioned by Antonio and introduced by Haste, at least he introduced the term (and I do not think that the spray-cannon really serves as one).

[Yber]

I'm assuming you're addresing more people than just me with your post @Karlotta

Missiles were terrible back in the day when most newbies used them. Even before I began le derp training shooting a buoy at 3 AM due to the lack of more opponents in connecticut, I was rarely hit by them, and the same goes for just about anyone else.

The current sidewinder works well in every aspect other than CMs not doing anything to stop them. Once that's fixed I couldn't care less if everyone uses it. Again, people are not entitled to win, including all good players and obviously me. Personally I see the whole "I would have won 1v5 if they didn't use sidewinders" as more skype benting than anything, just like I say "I would have won if I had fought 1v3 and not 1v4" or "if this guy hasn't shieldrun 1v6, what a prick". Add more swearwords and you'll go pretty close to my daily reactions from when I could play the game without 6% loss.

I would be completely okay with people using 6 sidewinders as long as the ammo is shared by all the launchers.

I also understand that many people don't want to be the Flash of Freelancer and forever and ever win every last thing a player can win until they die of old age, but if they face someone who does, no matter how much you tinker with loadouts, ships or balance, they are most certainly going to lose. And that's independant of sidewinders tracking through CMs. Now, if you are talking about groupfights (be it 1vX or XvY) things change. If missiles being mount-able in every slot, sidewinders being left alone (fixing the CM issue) and whatever other changes you see fit are going to make the other players more useful or at least feel that way so they enjoy the game better, I'd like to see those changes.

Again, players are not entitled to win. If someone thinks that because he is good he must win every 1v1 and just about any groupfight vs newbies, then they have come too far from their beginnings. They probably are going to win any 1v1 with a newbie and that's how it should be if they are better, as RNG should not be the determinant factor, but let them spam missiles in groupfights all they want. It certainly won't be fun for the person being ganged upon, but hey, might as well test it.