Admin Note: Faction right #5

[farmerman]

Getting away from Corsair fighting, I have a serious question about this.

Does the opposite hold true?

That is, can official factions request a ship be made friendly to the npc faction in much the same way? There are situations I can imagine where they'd be stuck in a hostile state due to game mechanics despite two factions having no direct connections up until the RP that led to said request.

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[n00bl3t]

Indeed it is, but why to make Order char and then RP with it completely different then Order RP is(rebellions, raiding Alpha, sitting in Alaska all day and provoking Libertorians etc ).
And there is very, very small percent of people in Minor, who are good RPers but not following Order RP.
Big part of them doesn't even know who are our enemies and who are allies as they only made Order char because someone said to them it's cool, or there are cool ships etc.

Was not the point I was making.

You missed it, so no matter.

Discussion - the people that actually make the rules talked about it and implemented it.

There is an established chain of command here. The GODS, the Gods, the demi-gods, the priesthood, and then the woshipping masses. Sometimes things flow from the Gods that doesn't need input from the priesthood or worshipping masses. Deal with it. There was discussion which included bringing back ALL of the original faction right #5, or possibly even making it even stricter.

The whole point is simple - and is covered right here.
If people ddn't act in game or on the forums like 2 year olds and throwing tantrums, then we wouldn't need rules in the first place. Since they do - as has been evidenced on here and in game many times - welcome to the rules.

(And if you can't figure it out, GODS are Igiss and Majkp, Gods are the admins, demi-gods are the moderators, priesthood is the dev team, and the worshipping masses are the players.)

We established this without saying it a few pages back, but eh.

However, your "deal with it" attitude is acknowledged.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[kuth]

So, what is the word on this rule? Many people asked if unoffical government type groups can use this. As I know for a fact that the Council of Zoners, which has no offical faction in it has used this I would assume this is no longer an offical faction right and simply a right. I inquired with the Admin that said the Council of Zoners used this right. He said in special circumstances people other than offical factions can request it but no unoffical faction can use it. Does this mean that individual players can use it if the situation deems it so? Or just certain people?

I know Admins can do what they please, and I agree, you spend your time making this game so others can play. However, this isn't what happened. A player not of an offical faction requested a rep change under the banner of an unoffical faction and the change was done. I don't disagree with the rep change but I am now wondering if this faction right, is a faction right at all.

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Lurker

[Virus]

The Council of Zoners was at the time the general governing body of the Zoners (and considered a quasi-official faction), official and unofficial factions, and the player they had requested be made hostile did indeed deserve it as per visible forum and in-game role play.

The charged player didn't disagree (and was in-fact expecting it), and the result seems to have benefited both parties.

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[kuth]

Actually at the time of the Joker's rep change, the Council wasn't considered the governing body. The Zoner faction had been in major political upheaval for some time before the Joker appeared.

As I said I am not disagreeing with the change.

I am asking if we can expect more unoffical factions to use it. As it stands now the Council of Zoners is threatening to use it again and again even though they are not offical and are not considered the governing body. The majority of the Zoner playbase agrees on this. This would lead me to believe personal friendships are involved.

To be clear:

Can we expect more unoffical factions to receive special treatment in regards to usage of this right?

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Lurker

[Fellow Hoodlum]

The answer to that is clearly no. Extraordinary circumstances with merit might be considered at any time,
though this is not going to turn into a 'make him red fest' for factions, on just a whim.

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[kuth]

The answer to that is clearly no. Extraordinary circumstances with merit might be considered at any time,
though this is not going to turn into a 'make him red fest' for factions, on just a whim.

Hoodlum

I understand it won't be used on a whim.

I inquire because currently the CoZ is claiming they will rep hack people that break the NFZ and do so regularly. However, I don't think that to be an extraordinary circumstance. Will they be allowed to make use of this again because the Admins consider it to be the Zoner governing body and quasi offical even though the majority of the Zoner player base doesn't? Not to mention the other non Zoner factions that don't consider it the Zoner governing body.

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Lurker

[Virus]

I understand it won't be used on a whim.

I inquire because currently the CoZ is claiming they will rep hack people that break the NFZ and do so regularly. However, I don't think that to be an extraordinary circumstance. Will they be allowed to make use of this again because the Admins consider it to be the Zoner governing body and quasi offical even though the majority of the Zoner player base doesn't? Not to mention the other non Zoner factions that don't consider it the Zoner governing body.

No, as I said ... CoZ "was at the time" considered. They are not anymore since we are aware of a civil war.

The main reason the reputation change was done in the first place was because it was obvious that both parties expected it.

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[Dab]

I understand it won't be used on a whim.

I inquire because currently the CoZ is claiming they will rep hack people that break the NFZ and do so regularly. However, I don't think that to be an extraordinary circumstance. Will they be allowed to make use of this again because the Admins consider it to be the Zoner governing body and quasi offical even though the majority of the Zoner player base doesn't? Not to mention the other non Zoner factions that don't consider it the Zoner governing body.

Lie in-RP, not OORP please.

CoZ never claimed it would use the rep hack regularly on people that break NFZs. What I said was that after several times of violating an NFZ, Zoners (ZONERS, not the CoZ) may decide that as an option. Whoever is considered the governing body of Zoners at the time would make that decision, as right now there is no governing body until the current situation is dealt with.


And please, as two other Zoners have already said to you, for the third time; Stop talking for everyone. You are one person, not 'most' Zoners.

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[schlurbi]

Okay, I have been asking this already. Cannon and Del, but didnt really get an Answer.

1. Am I ever getting a PM if the requested Player's Reputation will be changed or not?
   
2. There was a Template for Reputation Change before, I know it because I used it. So are we getting back or do I have to fill out the normal template? (Which is pretty weird with the questions in there)
   

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