The Anarchists [A]

[kramer]

Please give me an answer as player.

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Armin van Buuren

[Kubotan]

Please give me an answer as player.

So you just created a sub-corsair group to provoke the Zoners without even having played as regular Corsairs?
Did i understand this right?

Your question was if I created a sub-corsair group without even having played as a regular Corsair.

I said no, I have played as a regular Corsair for a very long time providing you with factual evidence to prove my case. I'm not exactly sure what more I'm supposed to say.

[McNeo]

Some people havent been here long enough to know just how deep rooted my characters, and the more veteran of Corsairs in general, dislike the Zoners. My first combat ship on this server was a Titan, and almost immediately after becoming a fixture in the Brotherhood (and like, it's third member ever), we were confronted by the spectre of the Zoner-aligned Asgard Warriors [AW]. Those are truely the beasts of the past, but my characters have a long memory, which twists into hatred every time he hears of Zoners and their defense fleets. Hey, the [AW] even had a Ranseur in their ranks. This was during the times of 4.82 and 4.83. My Corsair characters have existed since even before then.

The uppity attitude of the Asgard Warriors is mirrored by the attitude of the ZA in general, possibly more by the ZDF, and the perception by us that we continue to be treated less favourably by the Zoners. Maybe that's not the case, but its perception that matters, not truth. That's what people seem to miss here. After all, if truth mattered, propaganda would be pointless.

My characters have experienced a steady stream of disrespect from some, not all it has to be said, Zoners. "Do this, do that, dont come here, dont defend yourself from the NPCs when they attack you, follow my whims." That kind of thing. Maybe its misinformed, misinterpreted or something, but trying to convince me, the player, is pretty pointless since I can see that possibility already. That's just not how my characters are going to take it. Corsairs arent the most reasonable people in Sirius, much the same as mainstream Kusari arent. This is actually the experience of a lot of Corsair characters, so its unsurprising that you've managed to tick off the wrong people.

We had no reason to stop the [A] from doing what they were doing. They were expressing our frustration by proxy, and without us having to get involved. If the Zoners chose to escalate things, we would get involved on the political defensive. That the Artemis, the Brotherhood's secondary flagship, was shot down, simply made an enemy of the longest serving, if waning in recent times, Corsair faction. It gave the excuse we needed to open up the can of whoop-ass that had been wanting to be opened for some time. Such an action can go a long way to muting the protests of a diplomatically oriented faction, such as the Benitez. You can't argue with the flagship of your brothers getting crippled now, can you?

[kramer]

Well, I want just know if you have created this group to disrupt or alter the Zoner gameplay.

I'm playing as an independent Corsair and it took a while to get experiences with the THB, Benitez, Sails, HAF and other indies.

I was some days offline, you popped up and turned everything upside down.
I have read through all the threads here and sorry to say this but what i have read this is more a private than a roleplay thing.

In all the time the offical factions do not or wanna not change their rp towards the Zoners and suddenly a indy group changes everything?
Sorry guys something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

I cannot judge on you intentions but on the things i read here but it is not in the spirit in the game nor of the server/gameplay performance that things like that change that fast - to be polite.

If you do not agree with the rp of particular offical factions please do not blame and involve other, innocent players.
That's my issue here.
As already said, Zoners are fair targets for Corsair piracy but this was initally a hunt on Zoner players with afterwards made 'deals'.
Such things are not acceptable.

@McNeo: You are not the only 'veteran' here. You players have forced a situation to cover your private opinion by bogus rp. Remember our discussion?
Why did not the TBH start this? *shrugs*

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Armin van Buuren

[McNeo]

In all the time the offical factions do not or wanna not change their rp towards the Zoners and suddenly a indy group changes everything?
Sorry guys something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

I cannot judge on you intentions but on the things i read here but it is not in the spirit in the game nor of the server/gameplay performance that things like that change that fast - to be polite.

We had no reason to stop the [A] from doing what they were doing. They were expressing our frustration by proxy, and without us having to get involved. If the Zoners chose to escalate things, we would get involved on the political defensive.

[Kubotan]

You are just assuming things but are not providing with any evidence of your claims.

I on the other hand have provided with logical reasons for doing this, supported by both Official long-term Corsair members as well as Curious kindly presenting infocards that support this group to exist. I have also provided a link that shows that there is a history behind the Saladin character and it was not made up in a day.

[Tupacalypse]

In all the time the offical factions do not or wanna not change their rp towards the Zoners and suddenly a indy group changes everything?
Sorry guys something is wrong in the state of Denmark.

XD

Curios, ... where did it run?, Vlko, McNeo, Zelot are all the High Command/Leaders of Sails and TBH... suggest going back and rereading there post more thoroughly.

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[Zelot]

Kramer, this makes complete sense to the players who have been around awhile, because they watched it develop. I can see how without this perspective, it might be hard to understand, so please just belive me, it makes alot of sense in rp.

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[McNeo]

@McNeo: You are not the only 'veteran' here. You players have forced a situation to cover your private opinion by bogus rp. Remember our discussion?
Why did not the TBH start this? *shrugs*

If TBH had started it, I'd be being accused of being bias aswell, since I would have been taking my faction directly on the offensive against the Zoners.

So according to you I'm at fault if I do, and at fault if I don't? >_>

[kramer]

Sorry i disagree, Zelot.
It would make sense if this was initiated by the official Corsairs factions/council and not by a sudden popping up indy player group.

Zelot, as you stated you(Council) didn't make anything and accepted, let's say, the rp status quo.
As already said I don't got a problem in piracy but hunting a whole roleplay faction is not ok.

@McNeo: No. But i can understand you.


PS: Thanks for explaining me and hopefully others this.

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Armin van Buuren