Corsair - Zoner

[Curios]

I would say that water and oxygen are pretty easy to get/recycle by now.

Well, game devs think otherwise. I mean digital anvil of cause. So we can call it "vanilla lore".

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[dodike]

Well, game devs think otherwise. I mean digital anvil of cause. So we can call it "vanilla lore".

Well, I've always thought that shipping water and oxygen to countless stations that are in ice clouds is a bit dull.

[DarthBindo]

The only sources of water/oxygen would be a planet or a frozen water cloud like in Omega-3.
One can recycle water, but it's not particularly pleasant.
Recycling carbon dioxide into oxygen in any vast quantities would be done with organic life, which given the biodomes, is most or less possible.
But lore is lore.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Vito]

I would say that water and oxygen are pretty easy to get/recycle by now.

I would say that food is enough on Crete now since there are 4 (four) sair biodomes in use (3 on Alexandria and one on Skiros) and one of the biggest food suppliers in Sirius (Samura) is shipping us a lot of stuff, not to mention the other smaller groups/factions/organisations. Skiros was built recently ("after" the rumors) and from FP9 to it you only have to fly an extra 50k so supplies heading our way could be easily redirected there.

But that would remove the corsair key weakness, zoners will say. Not really, because we still depend on other people, we'd just cut the Theta Zoners out of the equation.

Here is a good question: what's the Zoners' key weakness? How about the Omicroners' or Theta Zoners' key weakness? Could it be the proximity to the Corsairs threatening their so-called neutrality?

Speaking of Omicroner neutrality, you guys have an alliance with the Order and GMG. Isn't that against the very foundations of Zoner RP? Or do you play the neutrality card only when it suits you and disregard it in the other situations?

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[Mímir]

Not being involved in this in any way, but having read the posts - including the FP9/Omicroners debate with the Corsairs - I fail to see the problem. Zoners may claim neutrality, but if they are not perceived as neutral - which is understandable seeing that they are housing raid parties - then that's that. You can't force your neutrality on to other people, that makes no sense. There is a certain smugness found in a lot of Zoner characters (which the previous Corsair vs. Omicroner debate clearly showed), and I think it is 100% fair that they learn some humility - especially when claiming to be taking a neutral stance.

Imagine Sweden in WWII - had they taken a firm stance against the Nazi's, they wouldn't have been able to maintain neutrality. They would have been rolled over in a heartbeat. So that is the downside of neutrality - you rely on every one else's good will (in fact you are only neutral to the extent that everyone else agrees), and if you can't deal with that you will very soon find that people won't perceive you as neutral any longer.

I think people saying this is a just a bad excuse for oorp pew pew are totally wrong - in fact I think RP-wise, Corsair brutal backstory considered, the Zoners have been lucky to keep Theta and even O74. If I was a brutal Corsair warlord, I would have wiped out any possible threat in the vicinity of Gamma - and when the Corsairs haven't done so already, I see it as a an oorp gentleman-gesture to make sure Zoner players have a good time too.

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[leonidos]

Not being involved in this in any way, but having read the posts - including the FP9/Omicroners debate with the Corsairs - I fail to see the problem. Zoners may claim neutrality, but if they are not perceived as neutral - which is understandable seeing that they are housing raid parties - then that's that. You can't force your neutrality on to other people, that makes no sense. There is a certain smugness found in a lot of Zoner characters (which the previous Corsair vs. Omicroner debate clearly showed), and I think it is 100% fair that they learn some humility - especially when claiming to be taking a neutral stance.

Imagine Sweden in WWII - had they taken a firm stance against the Nazi's, they wouldn't have been able to maintain neutrality. They would have been rolled over in a heartbeat. So that is the downside of neutrality - you rely on every one else's good will (in fact you are only neutral to the extent that everyone else agrees), and if you can't deal with that you will very soon find that people won't perceive you as neutral any longer.

I think people saying this is a just a bad excuse for oorp pew pew are totally wrong - in fact I think RP-wise, Corsair brutal backstory considered, the Zoners have been lucky to keep Theta and even O74. If I was a brutal Corsair warlord, I would have wiped out any possible threat in the vicinity of Gamma - and when the Corsairs haven't done so already, I see it as a an oorp gentleman-gesture to make sure Zoner players have a good time too.

+1

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[Stygian]

Not being involved in this in any way, but having read the posts - including the FP9/Omicroners debate with the Corsairs - I fail to see the problem. Zoners may claim neutrality, but if they are not perceived as neutral - which is understandable seeing that they are housing raid parties - then that's that. You can't force your neutrality on to other people, that makes no sense. There is a certain smugness found in a lot of Zoner characters (which the previous Corsair vs. Omicroner debate clearly showed), and I think it is 100% fair that they learn some humility - especially when claiming to be taking a neutral stance.

Imagine Sweden in WWII - had they taken a firm stance against the Nazi's, they wouldn't have been able to maintain neutrality. They would have been rolled over in a heartbeat. So that is the downside of neutrality - you rely on every one else's good will (in fact you are only neutral to the extent that everyone else agrees), and if you can't deal with that you will very soon find that people won't perceive you as neutral any longer.

I think people saying this is a just a bad excuse for oorp pew pew are totally wrong - in fact I think RP-wise, Corsair brutal backstory considered, the Zoners have been lucky to keep Theta and even O74. If I was a brutal Corsair warlord, I would have wiped out any possible threat in the vicinity of Gamma - and when the Corsairs haven't done so already, I see it as a an oorp gentleman-gesture to make sure Zoner players have a good time too.

Bingo! Now if the majority of the Zoner playerbase would realize this things would be much better down there for them. That has been OSI's game all along and we're doing just fine.

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[Soul Reaper]

did we starve ?
no

Fun fact, we're always starving.

'tis the reason of pirating everyone for their limbs.

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[Linkus]

I would say that food is enough on Crete now since there are 4 (four) sair biodomes in use (3 on Alexandria and one on Skiros) and one of the biggest food suppliers in Sirius (Samura) is shipping us a lot of stuff, not to mention the other smaller groups/factions/organisations. Skiros was built recently ("after" the rumors) and from FP9 to it you only have to fly an extra 50k so supplies heading our way could be easily redirected there.

But that would remove the corsair key weakness, zoners will say. Not really, because we still depend on other people, we'd just cut the Theta Zoners out of the equation.

Here is a good question: what's the Zoners' key weakness? How about the Omicroners' or Theta Zoners' key weakness? Could it be the proximity to the Corsairs threatening their so-called neutrality?

Speaking of Omicroner neutrality, you guys have an alliance with the Order and GMG. Isn't that against the very foundations of Zoner RP? Or do you play the neutrality card only when it suits you and disregard it in the other situations?

Guard systems cannot be taken into account when considering your factions weaknesses and strengths.
Omicron 74 and Baffin are slightly different, as is Omega-52.
All in all though, folks taking guard systems into account is one of the reasons why they should be removed completely or removed from faction control (Which they are now, partially at least).

Corsairs need food.
They get supplies from Junkers, Kusari and Zoners.
One way or another, it would hurt to lose any of those supplies.
It would hurt the Omicron zoners more to be blasted to pieces.
If the Omicron Zoners decided to try cut off Corsair supplies, they would most likely fail and suffer quite a bit for it. Not only would it cost lives and lose them a trading partner but it would actually cost money too.

The main reason for the Zoners neutrality has been the balance of power between Corsair and Outcast empires.
The Zoners have not been making good use of said balance but instead relying on the supply argument.

The Corsairs are much like the British Empire. If the local traders are causing issues, the Navy/Army is brought in and they are taught a lesson (Gunboat diplomacy).
If there is another empire, such as the French Empire, to oppose any aggressive moves by the British Empire, then the British Empire would most likely not attack the traders, encase they sided with the French.

Zoners can't rely on the supply argument alone.
Zoners can't rely on the Order for aid anymore.
Zoners need to adjust to the changing scenario.

Corsairs can't rely on Hogosha alone.
Corsairs can't fling imaginary fleets around.
Corsairs need to consider the current situation, excluding guard systems.

This is of course assuming that any opposing factions take advantage of weaknesses as they arise. (Outcasts for instance)

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[Curios]

Guard systems cannot be taken into account when considering your factions weaknesses and strengths.
Omicron 74 and Baffin are slightly different, as is Omega-52.
All in all though, folks taking guard systems into account is one of the reasons why they should be removed completely or removed from faction control (Which they are now, partially at least).

Corsairs need food.
They get supplies from Junkers, Kusari and Zoners.
One way or another, it would hurt to lose any of those supplies.
It would hurt the Omicron zoners more to be blasted to pieces.
If the Omicron Zoners decided to try cut off Corsair supplies, they would most likely fail and suffer quite a bit for it. Not only would it cost lives and lose them a trading partner but it would actually cost money too.

The main reason for the Zoners neutrality has been the balance of power between Corsair and Outcast empires.
The Zoners have not been making good use of said balance but instead relying on the supply argument.

The Corsairs are much like the British Empire. If the local traders are causing issues, the Navy/Army is brought in and they are taught a lesson (Gunboat diplomacy).
If there is another empire, such as the French Empire, to oppose any aggressive moves by the British Empire, then the British Empire would most likely not attack the traders, encase they sided with the French.

Zoners can't rely on the supply argument alone.
Zoners can't rely on the Order for aid anymore.
Zoners need to adjust to the changing scenario.

Corsairs can't rely on Hogosha alone.
Corsairs can't fling imaginary fleets around.
Corsairs need to consider the current situation, excluding guard systems.

This is of course assuming that any opposing factions take advantage of weaknesses as they arise. (Outcasts for instance)

This is the space shooting game with bases not having a health bars so we will not come anywhere in result and just may guess who will die first: Sairs from not having enough food or Zoners from not having enough water\oxy or maybe from being bombed.

But what we can do is to give an excuse to engage our factions for other people or not to give. All zoners do is giving an excuse for Sairs to shoot them, don't give an excuse and this will be called "walking on the edge". Don't hide behind the RP reasons - they are not existent at all and can't be forced in any way. There is you (Zoners) and there are surrounding factions (player bases of the factions you interact with including sairs, hessians, nomads, whatever). To walk on the edge you have to build the relations with people around in the way when no one have an excuse to blow your arse. Of cause you meant to be flexible for it.

But if you're just give out an excuse for another faction to shell your bases and ships and then run to forum to express your feelings about that not meeting with your understandings of RP - It's all your fault.

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