Quote:Dealing and owning Cardamine and/or Liquid Cardamine is forbidden and fined.
Fine: 5M, cargo destroyed on spot
Quote:Succeeding in resisting arrest or refusing to pay a fine will lead to the criminals list, to be removed from there requires the original fine paid and an addtional 10M fine.
Sayonara.
And just a side note, this is RP server, and it is good to know laws of space you are going through. Soooo if HE BROKE LAW, YEAH HE IS CRIMINAL AND WE CAN SHOOT HIM ON SIGHT. Is that clear enough?
Also, as you probably dont know, we always FIRST TALK then shoot. But frankly your guy didnt bothered to answer while smuggling BANNED commodity in kusari space. I really dont understand what you dont get in here.
' Wrote:Ok I see we are not going anywhere in here:
Sayonara.
And just a side note, this is RP server, and it is good to know laws of space you are going through. Soooo if HE BROKE LAW, YEAH HE IS CRIMINAL AND WE CAN SHOOT HIM ON SIGHT. Is that clear enough?
Also, as you probably dont know, we always FIRST TALK then shoot. But frankly your guy didnt bothered to answer while smuggling BANNED commodity in kusari space. I really dont understand what you dont get in here.
Oh, I forgot. I am KNF officer.
Ya but the Officer decided not to shoot but to take a fine that was simply too much. But ok lets have another look on ya own rules then:
Quote:Dealing and owning Cardamine and/or Liquid Cardamine is forbidden and fined.
Fine: 5M, cargo destroyed on spot
Quote:Succeeding in resisting arrest or refusing to pay a fine will lead to the criminals list, to be removed from there requires the original fine paid and an addtional 10M fine.
so according to this you pay nothing / or 5mio and are on the criminal list or you pay 15 mio and are removed.
current situation: we paid 10 mio and are on the criminal list.
somethin went wrong i would say. I d say the reason for this is that your officers dont know their own laws and therefore cant explain em to us right.
so i see 2 possible solutions to this: 1. we get back 5 mios and are on the criminal list or 2. we pay you another 5 mio and are removed.
You smuggled Cardi.
You docked ( = resisted) to avoid being catched => You got on the criminal list.
You get to Kusari again => Fine for Cardi + Resisting.
' Wrote:Can anybody of the KNF provide evidence to me by PM (cargo scans of both encounters, and docking in House Space). I'd actually like to see into this matter and decide whether faction rights can be applied, since it is not clear to me right now whether the said Whale had an Zoner Guard ID. Take it as preemptive measurement and possible interference to resolve this matter and avoid another jump-over on Zoners in general.
regards.
No ones is accusing Zoners in general, so no worries about that.
' Wrote:Ok I see we are not going anywhere in here:
Sayonara.
And just a side note, this is RP server, and it is good to know laws of space you are going through. Soooo if HE BROKE LAW, YEAH HE IS CRIMINAL AND WE CAN SHOOT HIM ON SIGHT. Is that clear enough?
Also, as you probably dont know, we always FIRST TALK then shoot. But frankly your guy didnt bothered to answer while smuggling BANNED commodity in kusari space. I really dont understand what you dont get in here.
Oh, I forgot. I am KNF officer.
So that means, i have to pay 5M for the cardamine, and 10M for being allowed to enter Kursari space again (=being removed from the Criminal List).
There is nothing mentioned about an extra fine for running from Naval Forces.
-> =15M fine and we are done
   15M - 10M
    5M
Ergo i have to pay 5 more million, 10 already paid, makes 15M, bam.
Oh I know Kusari laws very well, but if you want to be that strict with them, let's play it your way.
Dealing and owning Cardamine and/or Liquid Cardamine is forbidden and fined.
Fine: 5M, cargo destroyed on spot
Defaming the State or the Emperor or insulting a Samurai's honor (all KSP/KNF officers) is forbidden and fined or paid in blood.
Fine: 2M
Succeeding in resisting arrest or refusing to pay a fine will lead to the criminals list, to be removed from there requires the original fine paid and an addtional 10M fine.
Court martialled officers and traitors will not be removed.
You didn't just undock from planet Kyushu with 5000 units of cardamine, you refused to drop it, you escaped from us by docking again in planet kyushu.
I take that as an offense to the Samurai's honor, and therefore it must be paid in blood. Now, the reason why I didn't blow your transport to pieces with the destroyer is very simple, you were full of ore and I'm not that childish to destroy you on sight and ruin your hard work.
But, thank you for your feedback.
I'll edit the Kusari Legal Codex, and remove the fine limits now, they will be as big as the officer in question seem right to avoid this kind of problems.
Note: No, you won't be removed from the criminal list, and no, there won't be any money return, watch your steps, because we will watch the IBS very close now.
@lou: God damn you are paranoic, it's //*|Epitaph only, not even the //*| as a whole, much less the Zoners as a whole.
No, I changed it because you want to find loopholes around it.
If you thought that by simply paying 10 million you would get out of the criminal list, you are insulting our intelligence. But as you want to find loopholes, I have given you a new chance, try to find one now.
' Wrote:No, I changed it because you want to find loopholes around it.
If you thought that by simply paying 10 million you would get out of the criminal list, you are insulting our intelligence. But as you want to find loopholes, I have given you a new chance, try to find one now.
nah, you already did this yourself.
Usually a crime is punished by the applicable Law at the time of the violation.
Changing the Law afterwards and use it for the case is really pathetic.
But however by changing it you admit that we were right about your laws and that clearly is a sign that neither your so called "High Command" nor the executive Officers have any idea how to do their job right.
As you are an official Faction i think we cant do much to get rid of you, but i will check this out of course.
At last, i want to give your Faction a Feedback as this is the original purpose of this Topic, i guess:
I have the Feeling that at least some of your Members would be better off by joining a Pirate Faction.
This is not an Offense against anyone - but the fact is that as a Police / Military Faction you have a high responsibility towards other Players... you are representing the Law of your Country - that means you need, of course to know your own Law but as well the Punishments and Solutions for each possible Situation.
If you don't it will result in something like the incident between our Factions.
So from my point of view another Kusari Police Faction should be official instead (if there are any?) or a lot of change should be done within the KNF . So that if you meet an official Kusari Police Officer you do not have the feeling that the guy in front of me isnt sure bout what hes talkin bout himself so hes acting like a pirate to get it through, but a confident man or woman who knows exactly what he / she is talkin bout and is exactly doing what he/she is allowed to do.
At least the new Laws give more Freedom to the Officers, what means they can now concentrate on acting like a believable lawful Faction should.
I guess we wont get any money back or a decent explanation, so we will just close this case.
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