Mandalorian Mercenaries feedback

[Dane Summers]

Ya know, one of the hardest parts about bringing back a faction most people dont like, is having to deal with that dislike, even though your something new.

Yeah, Mando RP - bretonian lawful, but in bed with outcasts. Cool, whatev'

For us, we examined the problem, that anytime we gather in a group (which is tough for us, we dont have a lot of guys), we have to worry about mercs attacking. It happened a few days back in Coronado, and I knew, at least until we got on our feet, we'd have some trouble.

So, I talked to a few people, and figured that maybe setting up a gentlemans agreement to give us a break if were off to try and do something.

Seems reasonable, yeah?

So, today, I gathered my guys for a gallia raid, since talking with GRP, they'd like the option to have something to do in Gallia itself. Win\win for both of us. Cool.

So, today, we gather - two outcast indies decided to fight us, even though we told them we didn't want too (besides, it was two of them versus three nyxs, at least two pythos, and a gb - it was hardly fair) - they attacl anyway, we defend ourselves.

Then the MM show up. I PM'd one of your guys, asked nicely if you would consider giving us a break, then got told "are you joking? no"

So, now we have two outcast indies, and a handful of MM, in a fight we didnt even want - we were leaving to go do something else. Then you call in a ranseur, and MORE outcast indies, turning the numbers your way.

Cool guys. Nicely done.

So, what can we do to put this grudge to bed? Lets work together on this.

Yeah, I'm a bit miffed right now, but really, I want this to work out for both of us. Whoever is mando faction lead, add me on skype, and we can come to something thats beneficial for both of us.

Cool?

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[Rodriguez]

Would you be surprised if I tell you we've been working with outcasts for years?

The battle ended less than 10 minutes ago, take some time, and then if you still wanna discuss about anything, PM me.

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[Dane Summers]

Best to get it out when its fresh - As I said, I'm miffed, and I know there are underlying issues that need fixing, so my hope is something good comes out of discussion.

Yeah, I'll be honest, we got thrashed, and past the usual "Q_Q we lost, we all suck, disco sux, ragequit" etc, I'd prefer, instead of whining about WHAT happened, fix the reasons that caused it to happen.

If its just gonna be "its our rp to shoot you, where-ever-you-are" then why should we even log? Think about it from our perspective. I plan on having members who might not even be in combat ships, but trading. Are we going to see bombers and fighters in game, in numbers, everytime a CR atlas logs on?

Thats pretty disheartening. I have a skype channel full of members who are pretty bummed right now. Thats the hardest thing for me, as a faction lead, to see. And I worry its going to continue.

Continue and get worse.

Which is why I want to find a solution that doesnt kill my players enthusiasm for playing their characters, playing the game, and doesnt say to MM "you cant RP with us, NO MERCS ALLOWED"

Id rather use skype then forum PM's, really.

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[Rodriguez]

There's no personal hatred here, we hunt CR, because they pissed off the wrong people, they continuely attack Outcasts, and they even break Liberty and bretonia's laws from time to time (Or did), they even declared war on Bretonia when they signed a treaty with Kusari, a long time ago though.

But the thing is, I don't see how the MM could be less aggresive towards the CR, at begining of 4.86, Dieter had the idea of trying to be less hostile toward CR, because they moved to Coronado, and they were supposedly opposing the GRN. But in these 6 months, I've seen 2 times the CR fighting GRN, and like... 1204102501205102 times the CR fighting Outcasts, or helping the IMG (Funny thing, since IMG was forgiven by the GRN), or even helping The Order (We hunt those too). So, the picture is, CR is in the very Hostile side of our list.

No one is there for personal reasons, I don't know who is behind the CR ships, I don't want to know either, it makes things easier.

As to our bombers logging to blow your transports, I guess you will see some. Everytime? I doubt it, but sometimes you will. It's always dangerous to fly a transport, and the best ship to take them down are bombers. I cannot help you there, but tell you and your guys that it's the same risk to log a CR Atlas, than to log a IMG transport, or a Samura one, or a BMM, or USI, or any transport, there are pirates everywhere, enemies everywhere, you got to endure it.

We are a small faction, it's hardly possible that with the numbers we have, we can ruin your faction.

And as for the event that leaded to this post.

You said you had, 3 VHFs, 2 bombers and a gunboat, we added 2 VHFs, 1 bomber and a Bottlenose, plus the two OCs. I just mention it, because it sounded like we went there ganking you to ruin your day, we didn't, we just went there to try you. And the ranseur showed up because someone brought a solaris CR cruiser to the fight. Your raid got disrupted, that's all, it happens to all of us.

But, regardless, if you have any suggestion as to how "improve" the interaction, feel free to post it here, I prefer doing it publicly rather than in PM's.

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[Dane Summers]

At this point, CR diplomacy is changing. Were approaching things from a different perspective then the faction that preceded us. Its pretty clear I'm not Panzer, and really, I'm not trying to be.

Were making a lot of good progress with Bretonia, on track to being friendly, if not more so. On the opposite end, were drifting from IMG, and while both sides are examining it, were still wondering which way to go. There will be oorp consequences for us if we detach from IMG - our faction might just stop existing.

Our main focus is gallia, which is why were making such big overtures to Bretonia.

Its not hard to imagine that MM shoot us because of the Outcasts.

My suggestion is this.

For one, I'll be honest. I feel like a butt for suggesting that factions go against their RP for our sake. Were CR! the gank kings of the taus, one of the most hated factions in disco. Asking people to take it easy on us has gotta be the funniest joke in disco, right?
Yeah, were CR, but were not =CR=. We inherited the bad blood, and the poor opinions. Its something we have to work to change. For some folks, no matter what we do, we'll never change their minds. Thats just the way it is.

But as bad I feel, I feel worse when I see how demoralized my guys get from getting the piss knocked out of them. As I said, we didn't even want a fight - we were gathering at Java, and heading into Gallia, to give GRN and GRP the activity they want, and really, that they need.

So yeah, I'm asking for you guys to take it easy on us for a while. I don't mind if there's a couple of us, and were obviously just cruising around. But when were gathering for events, or something big, that we don't get pounced on, and beat up.

Other, inrp options for removing MM from the equation entirely are being discussed, but its pretty drastic diplomacy stuff...

Anyway, I guess thats all I can say, and I hope we can come to some sort of arrangement thats good for both of us

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[dodike]

I'm also of the opinion that collecting bounties without your target's consent is not being excellent on your part and therefore in breach of the most important rule 0.0.

0.0 Be excellent to one another. Consider the people around you. Keep fair play in mind. It's a game and nothing is gained, or lost, save the experience. Credits can be re-earned. Ammunition replenished. If you become infuriated step away. If you make a mistake apologize. If you wish to remain in system after you die, or after someone has moved away, simply ask.

I would like to ask the faction's leadership how are you planning on solving this issue and I very well hope you will.

[Rodriguez]

we have 5-10 active members, you are really telling me we are giving you a hard time?

And for the matter of the event, could you please clarify, was it a planned event or just a raid? Because from what I heard there was no planned event with GRP or GRN. We have an event sub-forum for those matters, I would suggest you using it.

Your suggestion is noted, however I will not ask any MM to not hunt you guys, because you don't feel like getting into fights.

And for diplomacy... you can try, but considering we never betrayed any client, and we are kind of loyal, rather than some other mercenary group ( 8| ), you will have a hard time trying to make things smooth with us, specially in Taus... there can be no peace in taus.

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[Rodriguez]

I'm also of the opinion that collecting bounties without your target's consent is not being excellent on your part and therefore in breach of the most important rule 0.0.
I would like to ask the faction's leadership how are you planning on solving this issue and I very well hope you will.

Care to elaborate more?

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[dodike]

Care to elaborate more?

Well, if you shoot somebody without asking first people might feel hurt.

[Rodriguez]

Well, if you shoot somebody without asking first people might feel hurt.

Ok, will keep that in mind.

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