The Anarchists [A]

[kramer]

Shryke, i play as corsair...

Hideki the further input is that i can go along with McNeo and Zelot but not with your idea.
Why didn't you start as some regular corsair group and develop it.
That's a rhetorical one.
I go along with the official faction but not with your group.

And stop treating me different like others here.
That comment 'i do not care about your history' is insulting and discriminating.
I did never take this topic here personal nor did i intended to offend you.
I just expressed my concerns, thoughts and tried to communicated in a social manner.

Regarding RP: My Hogosha trader char delivered two shipment of food to Crete, sadly less opportunity to RP.
And as a hired privateer i supported Sails.
If my char had not developed roleplay with the Sails and other faction i would like to oppose your Anarchists on a honour opposed based idea, Zoner affiliated.

Oh and thank you for honouring my rhetorical skills, that was unintended because i posted my honest concerns without any intentions to blame you personally.
Zoners like other non allied factions, official or not are ever since a welcomed target for piracy.
You, personally, missed to proved the point why sudden ALL Zoner players have to be hunted and some time later exceptions were made.
As already said i got a consensus here and I'm not personally involved.

Just to make it sure: I do less care about me than about the other others.

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Armin van Buuren

[Kubotan]

And stop treating me different like others here.
That comment 'i do not care about your history' is insulting and discriminating.

If you still do not realise it, I'm not a new member to this community.

That is why I said: "I do not care about how long you have been here."

Because I thought you were telling me that I was not allowing you to have your inputs here because you are apparently new to this community. In other words, what I said was that it doesn't matter if you are an old player or a new player, your input is welcomed as long as it is relevant.

Your opinions of this group is your own, you are entitled to have them.

You, personally, missed to proved the point why sudden ALL Zoner players have to be hunted and some time later exceptions were made..

I have already answered that:

As I have written in my first post, the first short-term goal was to provoke the Zoners, make them angry. They will start acting irrational and make stupid mistakes which I will then try to capitalize on (reference: Halting food shipments and allying with factions hostile to the Corsairs). In my opinion, this would have only worked if we targeted all Zoners, made it look like it was a declaration of war, that would push them into a corner until they would in desperation seek out alliances, afraid of what is to come. Which is what has happened now. All of this fits in line with the background Role-Play, the very purpose of this Corsair-wing.

The [TAZ] have talked to the Corsairs and they have come to an agreement. Now the Corsair Council approaches me, saying that they can no longer silently support or ignore the [A]'s actions against the Zoners as a whole.

Therefore we adapted.

No longer are Zoner-transports carrying food/materials inbound for Corsair stations/planets a target of interest, and the [TAZ] as a whole are no longer our targets (check the blanket bounty to confirm this as well). Of course we are still allowed to defend ourselves should need be. But we are no longer actively hunting them.

All other combat vessels belonging to the Zoners are fair game.

Now I believe you and I have done enough to discuss these trivial matters that seems to drift away from the main point of this thread.

[Death.RunningVerminator]

I actually agree with the big goonball and his minions on this one, just because i've never seen a corsair say, "Wonderfull day isn't it zoner!" or, "Boy you zoners are cool!" or even, "I ****** a zoner and it was great!"

But what i have seen corsairs say is, "Dumb zoner" and, "I can't believed we're allied to them."

(nod)

[kramer]

Hideki exactly this goal of provoking Zoners is the matter.
And I'm pretty sure you are aware of this.
I started this discussion here because it already happened and cannot see any reason why you and your group got suddenly a special treatment.
That's why i was seeking the discussion with the official faction leaders here who did a good and fair job in explaining their points - and i agree.

But i still do not agree with the fact that a group of indy players or one player can pop up out of nowhere and suddenly everything is upside down.

As Zelot said, OPG got a very hard start, coming here as a clan with pretty hardcore gameplay (by Disco means) and evolved into a faction enhancing the roleplay here.

I have seen a lot of strange things here including this freaky Rheinland civil war, Harvester muteplay and the first Zoner hunt.

You are still pointing at the same reason which is nothing but disrupting the gameplay of others or forcing them into some kind of roleplay - making ALL Zoner players responsible for something which is not part of this game.
Heck i cannot believe that this is tolerated by the Admins team.

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Armin van Buuren

[Zelot]

Kramer, I think you missed my point alittle, well alot.



I said the OPG had a rough start yes, but I also said that the Corsair leadership did not stop their increased aggression toward Zoner at that time, nor ever, and in fact, many supported it, in much the same way things are happening now.

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[Exsiled_one]

Only Gentle was more aggressive and unwilling to talk about resolving the problems, but instead parked capital ships in front of anything:D

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<span style="color:#33CC00">I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*</span>

[Kubotan]

Well clearly Kramer at this point we are simply in disagreement over this faction. I can't put up any more reference material on the table to support my case and you refuse to acknowledge the ones I have put forth as valid. So with that said, I do not see the point in you continuing this discussion.

And before you go and shout that I'm trying to silence you, I have let you repeated your words for over four pages. I see now that we cannot progress anymore on this discussion. I will have to ask you to stop this debate now which has led nowhere.

[Syrus]

So, let's see.

I have nothing against changes, probably don't have anything against Zoner RP becoming a bit more interesting with them having some (!) "diplomatic problems".

But, to me it feels like you created this group, using the faction with probably some of the best ships and best weapons, just to do some pvp-whoring.
I saw NO RP of your group (Don't tell me your screaming "yalala bla bla" is RP) and you started attacking Zoners right when your group was created, without ANY background being set to lead to this.
It feels like, you are just doing it, for the blue messages. Yes. I met you more than once, and you were worse than the LN-indy caps.
I don't get it, why other corsairs let this happen - aren't they at war with Hessians, Bretonia, Outcasts, SCRA, (BHG) etc already? - So, how does your corsair nation suddenly get all the power to attack your own supporters?
Yeah, I know, Zoners aren't the only ones supporting you, but corsairs should keep in mind, that they did it for a LONG time, saving you from starvation...Yes I know that you don't care about this RP part, but it's still there.
And what's the reason for your attacks anyway!? "YALALALALA"? Not very much of a reason. "Holy war"? Oh wait..."Jihad"? Ehm...okee?
That's another reason I REALLY don't like your group. You're bringing some extrem stereotypes in it (yeah, I know there are stereotypes all over it...), but those ones you bring are really not the kind I like.
You are clearly connecting this group to a real group of people. Though I neither belong to this religion, nor am I in any other way connected to them, but, it is still offending.

So the problems I have with this group is less about what they do (-> changing Zoner RP; not the pvp-part), and more about HOW they do it!
Bringing drastic changes could've been done much better, what you do is anything but "great". As I said - you are, and will always remain pvp-whores in my eyes. If you need prove, you're doing it just for the blue messages, just look at your own threads.

(Not to mention, that on some part this Zoner hunt seems very very ooRP, with ooRP reasons and all that.)

So after all I think you chose the wrong server.

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[Panzer]

And my opinion:

Don't feed the troll. I once have been "defended against" and ended up jailed and humiliated. Acknowledging the troll's existence only makes it grow. And it is one, big troll by now mind you.

Whether and to what a degree the Zoners are guilty of their sins is irrelevant as it is a pretext for what Syrus already pointed out. It happened before with Yakuza whose bad side I have seen first-hand and who now have mysteriously faded away. How coincidental indeed...

And as per those Arabisms... Isn't it contained in trolling's definition, that its intention is to do or say something controversial in order to either get attention or enjoy the ensuing argument?

I am not saying it will be easy for those attacked - sometimes it is difficult to disengage, but try and ignore this whole battue.

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[Kubotan]

@ Syrus: Matter of perception, we are not stereotyping. There is no holy war and there is no jihad. Any member of the [A] which have stated such words are wrong and should immediately cease uttering them. We are not Muslims, we are not religious. And you are damn right, I'm a PvP-whore. Still doesn't make my Role-Play any worse.

@ Panzer: Yakuza left because they had little to no interaction with inactive Kusari Factions. But of course, this doesn't fit your already-decided-assumptions so it's irrelevant.