I'm bitching oorp cuse joe's not playing ball and Dieter ain't e'en talking man, despite the very generous offer from yours truly and ever since the moscow screw things up i've been pissed off and just waitin fer some Disco Drama.
Ain't got no recourse cept to whine like a schoolgirl what got sent to detention.
Now i'm off to even things out and vent at Joe.
In-rp of course.
EDIT:never again will i post after watching 2 Fast 2 Furious. :sleep:
EDITEDIT: And by yours truly i meant Zelot. Not me. Ye
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
Well, what exactly was Zelot's very generous offer? I don't recall one, or I missed the thread.
To be clear, what I meant was that I strongly dislike ooRP response to RP actions/situations. Complaining ooRP about another person's ooRP attitude is different.
With regards to my aforementioned ass-kicking, IC bosses would be out of reach anyway. It wasn't personal.
FYI, both inRP and ooRP, I want the embargo and Okinawa blockade down, more than anyone else in Liberty. I can guarantee that.
' Wrote:Hey, I sent a PM urging a certain Libertonian to send the capfleet to occupy Kusari and secure the lines of supply. Nothing would please me more than a concerted invasion by the GMG, GC, BD, Liberty and Bretonia on a single house/area of systems.
I do enjoy the occasional bloodbath, but it was never my choice.
This comment makes me sad, really Connor... I thought that at least a little part of you wanted to be KNF, I guess I was wrong, otherwise you would never say that.
On Topic:
@All: Are you stupid?
To respond to those saying that the embargo is killing kusari's activity: HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Without the embargo the amount of activity was the same, without the embargo the amount of Plutonium and H-Fuel that could be taken freely through Kusari was the same. Samura, Kishiro and GMG always had the control over those two commodities in kusari, Engine Components were the only ones that could be taken freely before the Embargo, no one complained the way that Ivan and Kishiro took control on those items, contrary, Ivan's way to get control on H-Fuel was great played and cheered. Kusari's activity is the same. And to what happens in game, Embargo are really hard to impose, yes, in-RP we cut down H-Fuel, in-game you can still dock your transport, fill it with H-Fuel and fly to Liberty, so, what I guess from those traders complaining is "You killed me Q_Q". Kusari's activity is the same.
To respond to those who say it's not realistic, neither is having a world of 4 countries, and having them at war with eachother with unlimited supplies, with unlimited armies, with unlimited people. If this embargo doesn't make a lot of sense economically... who cares? Does anyone here control any country's economical system? I really doubt it, the best you can have is a good sense of how economic works, and hell if you can apply it on disco. Hey Bretonia is invaded, their second most important system is overwhelmed with kusari forces, but... they are still alive, aren't they? Should we start a new way of PvPing? "Hey your house is dead economically! You can't engage!", "No U, we have Dublin! DIE!" Seriously, that Kusari should be dead, or Liberty should be out of H-Fuel.... god... what silly.
The Embargo was placed, because as Zelot said, there wasn't another way to deal with Liberty giving ships to BAF, other options were:
-Shooting LN, but keeping trading (I see the logic on that)
-Doing nothing (Which is Zelot's "Liberty gives it to all)
-Giving ships to RM (War World... let's not be so unimaginatives)
We took this way, because we wouldn't go againt liberty, doesn't make a lot sense, it's far from lore, we don't have the amount of players to do that, and going this way implied giving the KPT more things to do, and they did excellent, giving our politicians more things to do, and they did, and make some brains work, which happened. The downside of this was that Dieter from BAF's side, didn't have the time to continue with the rhythm of how things were being handled, and he had to drop out from the argue, and that it is where this matter got stuck (at least until a little while).
The upside (great upside) is that GMG took this farther, way farther, and it was.... AWESOME. The amount of thigns that have been happening in sigmas and honshu, can't be taken as something bad... or as unactivity.
GMG got it, and they got it well.
Again the problem with disco's decisions is that people take things personal, and that people don't measure... or more precisely, people don't balance things, sides get overcrowded, sometimes with people who keep grudges against other people, and that's where problems like this begin, not the "unreal" RP reasons that leaded to this situation.
Kusari's activity is now better, I include the sigmas and GMG in kusari's activity. To keep it that way, balance... people, give both sides the power to get fun, and you will all enjoy it.
Echo 7-7, even without Embargo, do you realise that you can't transport H-Fuel and Plutonium on your IC through Kusari?:D
It's restricted to Samura and Kishiro, by an arrangement done with GMG, so with or without embargo... IC with H-Fuel or Plutonium in kusari is a no go:P
Edit: That's is if you are IC... just now I saw your signature... but Ageira is the same, can't get their hands on those 2 commodities.
EDITED again:
One way to get this solved would be if those trading faction interested in those items start pocking liberty's government to clean this mess.
Why do I suggest Liberty's and not Kusari's? Kusari is way too stubborn to solve this without Liberty letting go.
On that note: How is a government not controlled by that country's industries? Most of laws in Kusari are done for/by Kishiro and Samura and their influences, just those concerning piracy, capital ships free pass, and some other less important are done by KNF or KSP exclusively.
Which leads me to another point that I always had in my mind, which is Liberty's government (for my understanding, I can be wrong on this, as I never took part of it) not influenced by their companies, or doesn't seem so.
But, for sure, the lack of pressure from liberty's companies on their government about this matter, is another factor encouraging this embargo to not be lifted.
So, now, if you see it from my point of view, it's a fight of Egos, it's like USA movies where two cars run to eachother head to head, I believe it's called "play chicken".
I find it really funny how people keep insisting on how this embargo completely closes the Kusari-Liberty trade entirely despite others having told multiple times that it only affects those 3 items. Do you guys really think that it will become true only if you say it often enough? Sorry to tell you, but that's no "nerf it"-topic.
As for Kusari being hit hard by that embargo: How about we take a closer look at the Kusari economy first?
Samura dominates the shipping market by ~70%, the rest is Kishiros.
Why do I point that out?
Samura doesn't export H-Fuel or Plutonium to Liberty. Plutonium would have to be bought from the GMG, which is Kishiros job. Samura may lawfully transport it once within Kusari, but obtaining it from the GMG is odd and even was before the Kurile-thingy. No losses for Samura there.
Most (if not all) of the H-Fuel produced by Samura goes to the KNF. If something else is exported it goes to Rheinland. Again no losses there.
Engine components create indeed losses, but only marginal ones I would say as with the war going on again most of them would be used for Kusaris own ships anyways.
So, 70% of the Kusari market are only slightly affected, now I really can see how that kills the Kusari economy... Yes your sarcasm-detector should find something in the sentence before.
Now, that's exactly why Liberty will have to make the move to ease the situation. Samura doesn't really experience any losses, yet is the more influential party in the Kusari government until the next mod comes out.
Or Liberty could just sit it out without any reaction whatsoever and pretend it "never happened" and start to fuel their ships with synth paste.
I can only ask the corporate liberty traders to put some pressure on their dictators to get the influence they deserve. I guess Kusari can be glad not to have an admin in the government everyone would knuckle under.
' Wrote:Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.
' Wrote:On that note: How is a government not controlled by that country's industries? Most of laws in Kusari are done for/by Kishiro and Samura and their influences, just those concerning piracy, capital ships free pass, and some other less important are done by KNF or KSP exclusively.
Which leads me to another point that I always had in my mind, which is Liberty's government (for my understanding, I can be wrong on this, as I never took part of it) not influenced by their companies, or doesn't seem so.
But, for sure, the lack of pressure from liberty's companies on their government about this matter, is another factor encouraging this embargo to not be lifted.
This is the problem, some people simply don't want to share power. Back in DHC's glory days we talked to Samura who took our demands to the Council and we got permission to haul H-Fuel within Kusari borders. That was a great example of RP and corporations all over Sirius should have the same influence on their respective governments. The Kusari Council should have equivalents in all the other houses. I tried to do that in Rheinland and I got a simple answer from the RM: no. I tried to impose an embargo for the uncut diamonds (mined only by Daumann) and I got the same answer: no. This is only one example, but I bet the rest of the corporations (except for Samura and Kishiro) are met with the same attitude by their governments (RM, LN and BAF).
Cargo restrictions make perfect sense in RP and they should be used more often, as their absence makes trading factions useless. BMM mines gold and uses Bowex for shipping? Then only BMM and Bowex ships should be permitted to haul it. The same for the Daumann/Republican pair and uncut diamonds, or for Kruger/ALG and silver, to name just the mining house factions. Other commodities should be limited by law (not ID) to the factions which produce them and their allowed shippers, like Ageira is doing with gate/lane parts.
That way you wont be seeing 35253452 freelancers in BWT's running all over Sirius without any sense of RP while both trading and police factions are struggling to survive
Influenced would be better for liberty, both houses work different, but for sure liberty needs someone representing their coorporations and to be the link to the government, if something liberty, to my eyes, should have more unions or sindicates. The capitalism is not being exploited as it should in Liberty, which is different in kusari, because.... heh.... surprise... they are not entirely unbiased there:Peverything is done in favour of kusari coorporations. Liberty (again, to my eyes), should have more economical internal friction. I don't know, there's much things liberty coorporations could do... I mean... they are not known for being soft merchants, or shouldn't.
After a few thoughts, reason there's no coorporation in liberty's government, is their laws have nothing to do with coorporation's arrangements. But a group made of coorporations, or even coorporation's CEOs should talk to their government about problems, like the Kusari Embargo, if it's a problem to them.
Casero, both of Liberty's corporations and Interspace Commerce (see what i did there?:)) are pressuring the government to bring down the embargo.
Liberty and Bretonian corporations have no governmental power. None at all.
The two most democratic governments in Sirius actually hve no form of player representation at all. It's just Joe and Dieter.
And with the embargo, all they have to do is for the BAF and LN to no longer use each others weapons.
That's it.
That's all.
But no.
Joe has pretty much dismissed a shot at bringing it down, for what?
Nothing.
He ignores it, and the BAF have been ignoring it too.
Beacuse it's inconvienient.
Nobody on Disco wants to lose, and while some are accepting of it, most just soldier on, tricking themselves into thinking they are "winning".
Hell, even i do it.( although i try not to.)
Blargh.
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
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