Announcement: House Governments

[Kherty]

I know whatever I say has no impact on anything, but, I know I said this was a good thing. But this slowly turned into 1984, with Big Brother watching over things. Keeping an eye on discord chats that isn't official really isn't cool. And being that unprofessional about it isn't either. This is actually really disturbing.

But this slowly turned into 1984, with Big Brother watching over things

Keeping an eye on discord chats that isn't official really isn't cool. And being that unprofessional about it isn't either. This is actually really disturbing.

We have agreed to have a member of the staff in our Gallic Government chat. I will not say who. With proofs, and with convenience of the Assembly, was permanently banned.

But this slowly turned into 1984, with Big Brother watching over things

Again citing this: this is, ironically, becoming true for this. I doubt DIsco will last for long if it keeps going like that.

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AND: If it keeps dividing the playerbase from the devs/staff , making the players NPCs, and the devs/staff the "players" -- THIS IS AN OPINION. I HAVE NO AGENDA BEHIND IT. IT IS AN OPINION. THANK YOU. i.e. What was not written as "AN OPINION" is a statement. Gotcha?

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Please refer to my last post:

How GalGov ran things: 101. Everyone who had a faction could participate and vote if conditions are met.

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[Serpentis]

i should read 1984

It's depressing. But good. And relevant to current world affairs. Not just for Disco.
Although, I am not saying that the current staff is making disco a dystopian Tyranny.

Again citing this: this is, ironically, becoming true for this. I doubt DIsco will last for long if it keeps going like that.

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AND: If it keeps dividing the playerbase from the devs/staff , making the players NPCs, and the devs/staff the "players" -- THIS IS AN OPINION. I HAVE NO AGENDA BEHIND IT. IT IS AN OPINION. THANK YOU. i.e. What was not written as "AN OPINION" is a statement. Gotcha?

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Please refer to my last post:

How GalGov ran things: 101. Everyone who had a faction could participate and vote if conditions are met.

>>>LINK<<<

It's an opinion, one of who you should definitely should be able to have. I highly doubt that the staff will get mad at you for having one of those.

But, really, I think the staff needs to roll back on this idea. Despite me thinking at first it was a good thing..
Sorry, but it makes me cringe.

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[Sally]

i should read 1984

It's depressing. But good.

lmao

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[Mr.Jamison]

The ongoing tone of this thread and the contention already existant therein should reveal to all parties what a terrible idea this is.
And given this, the fact that going forward with it is even still being considered in such a "Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!!" fashion is truly frightening.

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[Karlotta]

Looks like passive-aggressive language being replied to in kind, from a context-less sceenshot

Context or not, this just isn't how staff should communicate in any sort of claimed official capacity, that should be pretty obvious I think hah. Only mitigating factor is that he doesn't have any actual official capacity there - the shadow gov discord runners have given him a voice they don't have to give.

Government members shouldn't communicate in that sort either.

At least the guy invoking 1984 because a GOVERNMENT is being forced to be somewhat transparent admits he never read it.

But I'd say do it like democratic governments, who broadcast their debates for all the public to see. Give everyone read-only access to your channel.

Oh.. and do the same for staff channels so everyone can see how decisions made of pure stupid like the one about the POB mass migration are taken, so we can see who exactly is responsible and what their reasoning is (or lack of it).

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[Serpentis]

I have no idea what I said wrong, but I meant that the whole Big Brother thing was similar, as the Character/concept/whatever wanted total control of it's citizens and kept constant watch over them. Dude, it's been like 20 years since I read, be nice. Sorry, I guess.

I doubt anyone would be cool with showing their debates for the forums to watch, it would be funny though.

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[Karlotta]

I was referring to the person you quoted, who said he should read 1984.

It's funny because in 1984 the government oversaw every individual, and nobody oversaw the government, and he's against oversight of the government. I didnt see that you were the first to invoke it, sorry for creating confusion.

That being said, disco has always been a dystopia where the guys in power have too little checks and balances. The difference between disco and 1984 is that big brother was somewhat competent at what he did, while disco staff has always been a clown car on fire.

I mean... one time an admin spontaneously nerfed an entire ID because one guy using that ID told me ingame in a private conversation that the ID was somewhat OP in one aspect (while many other IDs actually had similar lines). When asked why he was eavesdropping on our private conversation he said "I saw what he said by coincidence" and had no sense that he did anything wrong what so ever.

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[Serpentis]

Appreciate that, and I am sorry for the direct defensive reaction. I've just grown to accept that the forums tend to be toxic as hell.

I remember there having been a few times in the past were I've questioned things, for the most I've had no issues with the Staff and I really hope that continues.
No one is perfect, but I do sincerely want to believe that they are doing what they think best, but, when it comes to THIS, I did an 180 after seeing the way they decided to implement it. Not to mention the behaviour of staff. That however does not excuse the players behaviour towards them in turn.
But over time, more and more control has been taken from the players, like the OF's having no say in story development and directions. Which is a shame, since I remember how it used to be. Well, the parts I actually cared about being involved in.

I honestly hope this won't be enforced, as it's a slippery slope towards something worse.

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[Karlotta]

As I said, checks and balances on house governments and OFs is good, but it would have to be done properly, because from what I saw from the people that the OP is (probably) referring to as the "we" who will oversee them, the people in the "we" are actually some of the worst abusers of players and faction power I have seen in disco.

Literally the only thing that can amend the situation is maximum transparency, so that there can be real dialogue, dialectic, and consensus building. None of the people in the "we" seem to have even a remote idea on how to do that (libgov doesnt either)

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[SnakThree]

7 hours so far and simple government post not approved yet.

Honestly, have you guys thought this through properly? Would it not be easier to veto/review controversial decisions rather than preemptively supervise even the most insignificant posts?

And if we start using personal accounts (LN responding to Surplus requests, for example) for the same thing, will that get us in trouble for wanting to govern in timely fashion?

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