Deterrence [DTR] - Feedback

[StellarViss]

And then the fact you take on beginners kicks in on TOP.
For me the lowest point of Disco was when @Haste went out his way to publicly insult 1st on official discord as the lead dev at a point when me, Renegade, Orszel, Lock and many others spent loads of time on new guys -

I was there as a newguy at the point in 1st. While it is true that you did try to teach me how to rp and gave me and a few newbies rp to do you also said that the people including admins are out to get you that they all are crooked especially the LN OFs. During my membership of 1st it's discord was a echo chamber. You never mentioned why people disliked 1st nor why the Admiral of 1st was court martialed. Lemon your activity and participation in the Discovery Roleplay amounts to being an annoyance like flying a Navy ship into Omicron Delta or the other time you went to Major for the artifact not to mention when you flew a RM ship into Omega-48 to attack me with double Novas when CIS| was founded.

So stop with these bad attempt at trolling enough with your victim mentally.

[Lemon]

And then the fact you take on beginners kicks in on TOP.
For me the lowest point of Disco was when @Haste went out his way to publicly insult 1st on official discord as the lead dev at a point when me, Renegade, Orszel, Lock and many others spent loads of time on new guys -

I was there as a newguy at the point in 1st. While it is true that you did try to teach me how to rp and gave me and a few newbies rp to do you also said that the people including admins are out to get you that they all are crooked especially the LN OFs. During my membership of 1st it's discord was a echo chamber. You never mentioned why people disliked 1st nor why the Admiral of 1st was court martialed. Lemon your activity and participation in the Discovery Roleplay amounts to being an annoyance like flying a Navy ship into Omicron Delta or the other time you went to Major for the artifact not to mention when you flew a RM ship into Omega-48 to attack me with double Novas when CIS| was founded.

So stop with these bad attempt at trolling enough with your victim mentally.

Because it was an oorp troll with 0 roleplay behind it for trying to score points for the faction in a respawn event outside of house space- simple as. We did laugh about that attempt often though.

I'm the person that brought the most factions to officialdom within a year or so in history - you can try to discredit my opinion, but my track record speaks for itself.

Math doesn't lie - those activity numbers impact on reports rates hold true. You did see how much effort was put in, there is a lot of effort DTR is putting in you don't get to see from the outside.

And yeah frankly - it's very easy to see staff bias when you run the biggest faction on the server - again it's the whole public shaming sanction system that will make it seem that way (the clear conflict of interest aside at the time of the admins who are no longer on team). Now there's even a bigger space for bias and distrust with the "dick" rule - the system just needs to change. And I know many, maybe most people love Haste's openness - but I'd honestly prefer a head of the mod who can delegate and communicate well on the outside. Someone like St.Denis we I guess don't have right now. Someone who you can go to and have full faith that what he says will be impartial wise sage head of the game stance. The trust starts at the top

[StellarViss]

Because it was an oorp troll with 0 roleplay behind it for trying to score points for the faction in a respawn event outside of house space- simple as. We did laugh about that attempt often though.

Since when is this an ok thing to do stupid shit like this? Ruining an event by being a troll?

I'm the person that brought the most factions to officialdom within a year or so in history - you can try to discredit my opinion, but my track record speaks for itself.

I don't need to you do this by yourself. All of the factions you brought to Officialdom where are they now? 46th got rid of you and all of your influence. Maquis lost it and GN is also in better hands now. Talking like it is difficult to become a of a official faction or that it is some type of a grand achievement is beyond stupid. To become official you need three months of activity and well written rp to follow it. Not a herculean task. The only thing that track record can say is that you can't keep yourself grounded enough to run one faction.

Math doesn't lie - those activity numbers impact on reports rates hold true. You did see how much effort was put in, there is a lot of effort DTR is putting in you don't get to see from the outside.

And yeah frankly - it's very easy to see staff bias when you run the biggest faction on the server - again it's the whole public shaming sanction system that will make it seem that way (the clear conflict of interest aside at the time of the admins who are no longer on team). Now there's even a bigger space for bias and distrust with the "dick" rule - the system just needs to change. And I know many, maybe most people love Haste's openness - but I'd honestly prefer a head of the mod who can delegate and communicate well on the outside. Someone like St.Denis we I guess don't have right now. Someone who you can go to and have full faith that what he says will be impartial wise sage head of the game stance. The trust starts at the top

I did not once and don't plan to mention DTR. I called you out for your echo chamber of supposed dev/admin bias.
If the disco staff was truly bias as you claim why would they still tolerate you and people complaining against them? You probably would have been banned already and so would any faction going against them.

[IahimD]

Guys, let's all take a deep breath and remember that we all have our own perspectives. We can try and present them in such a way that the other person may see the situation though our lens. Or we can attack people and ensure the other party will never even think of looking at the situation through the other lens. Does DTR make mistakes? Certainly. Does DTR suffer from other people also making a complete category of mistakes? As someone who played DTR, yes, I think so.
Therefore, instead of throwing words around and blaming everyone and their parents, let's try to be civil and see how can we solve issues. Trying to speak privately with leaders of DTR did not work? Try to speak privately with staff. I annoyed Kai quite a bit in his DMs with VRs that I wanted answers for and he did not block me (yet?)
In the end, this is just a game, is it not? Is it really worth this much hassle?

[Lonewolf87]

Because it was an oorp troll with 0 roleplay behind it for trying to score points for the faction in a respawn event outside of house space- simple as. We did laugh about that attempt often though.

Since when is this an ok thing to do stupid shit like this? Ruining an event by being a troll?

I'm the person that brought the most factions to officialdom within a year or so in history - you can try to discredit my opinion, but my track record speaks for itself.

I don't need to you do this by yourself. All of the factions you brought to Officialdom where are they now? 46th got rid of you and all of your influence. Maquis lost it and GN is also in better hands now. Talking like it is difficult to become a of a official faction or that it is some type of a grand achievement is beyond stupid. To become official you need three months of activity and well written rp to follow it. Not a herculean task. The only thing that track record can say is that you can't keep yourself grounded enough to run one faction.

Math doesn't lie - those activity numbers impact on reports rates hold true. You did see how much effort was put in, there is a lot of effort DTR is putting in you don't get to see from the outside.

And yeah frankly - it's very easy to see staff bias when you run the biggest faction on the server - again it's the whole public shaming sanction system that will make it seem that way (the clear conflict of interest aside at the time of the admins who are no longer on team). Now there's even a bigger space for bias and distrust with the "dick" rule - the system just needs to change. And I know many, maybe most people love Haste's openness - but I'd honestly prefer a head of the mod who can delegate and communicate well on the outside. Someone like St.Denis we I guess don't have right now. Someone who you can go to and have full faith that what he says will be impartial wise sage head of the game stance. The trust starts at the top

I did not once and don't plan to mention DTR. I called you out for your echo chamber of supposed dev/admin bias.
If the disco staff was truly bias as you claim why would they still tolerate you and people complaining against them? You probably would have been banned already and so would any faction going against them.

as a new player i like to ad some thoughts to this server myself also as part of DTR asweel when me and myl il brother did join this server about 5 weeks ago we where getting the hang of it alone seeing how things go how things are handelt and how things work with all the extras comparet to the og came that we did play long long ago.

Here i feel i need to say some things i witnest myself as part as dtr now the ppl in dtr i meet so far did never try to put me agaisnt a specific faktion or a faktion at all even with all the grouping that happend agaisnt them like a battle i witnest when i was a few days in the dtr where core phoenix and bountyhunters teamt up agaisnt dtr for exemple i know ppl will be saying now the same old story wine wine wine im not wineing about it i mean its a target rich envyroment and i myself am no pvp player im more of an miner and transport guy i like to keep pobs running more its kinda relaxing after hours of work in reallive but what i witnest while doing these mines and transport runs is just dump sometimes ppl logging ships just to hunt dtr tag ships to stop them from doing mineing or transporting stuff to pobs and i dont mean just once or 2 times a day alone yesterday i myself got killt 4 times by a unkown player von mayer while in my miner hege and my transport correo in less than 20 hours it kill the fun of the game and ppl will leave the game cuz of this.

Ihave no porblem gettign targetet but if it is constanly it gets frutstrating i also know that aperently some dtr pppl did bad shit in the past so ppl aperenlty hate dtr for that alone but what ppl shoult remember is this is first and formost a game and games shoult be playet to relax and have fun and sure u cant have always a great time some times other groubs win sometimes own group wins but the fun shoult be the priorety .

thats my 2 sense to that and how i feel about the whole situation right now i alos dont want ot offend ppl with this it is just what is going through my mind i hope u all understand my meaning behind this

[Lemon]

Because it was an oorp troll with 0 roleplay behind it for trying to score points for the faction in a respawn event outside of house space- simple as. We did laugh about that attempt often though.

Since when is this an ok thing to do stupid shit like this? Ruining an event by being a troll?

I'm the person that brought the most factions to officialdom within a year or so in history - you can try to discredit my opinion, but my track record speaks for itself.

I don't need to you do this by yourself. All of the factions you brought to Officialdom where are they now? 46th got rid of you and all of your influence. Maquis lost it and GN is also in better hands now. Talking like it is difficult to become a of a official faction or that it is some type of a grand achievement is beyond stupid. To become official you need three months of activity and well written rp to follow it. Not a herculean task. The only thing that track record can say is that you can't keep yourself grounded enough to run one faction.

Math doesn't lie - those activity numbers impact on reports rates hold true. You did see how much effort was put in, there is a lot of effort DTR is putting in you don't get to see from the outside.

And yeah frankly - it's very easy to see staff bias when you run the biggest faction on the server - again it's the whole public shaming sanction system that will make it seem that way (the clear conflict of interest aside at the time of the admins who are no longer on team). Now there's even a bigger space for bias and distrust with the "dick" rule - the system just needs to change. And I know many, maybe most people love Haste's openness - but I'd honestly prefer a head of the mod who can delegate and communicate well on the outside. Someone like St.Denis we I guess don't have right now. Someone who you can go to and have full faith that what he says will be impartial wise sage head of the game stance. The trust starts at the top

I did not once and don't plan to mention DTR. I called you out for your echo chamber of supposed dev/admin bias.
If the disco staff was truly bias as you claim why would they still tolerate you and people complaining against them? You probably would have been banned already and so would any faction going against them.

Right, so I bring activity and help people with well-written RP in bringing factions to officialcom, but somehow my opinion doesn't matter, and I haven't contributed to the server because I took RM to 48, where Rheinland moved to in canon and attacked Rheinland's enemies. I don't really know you, but this is really bizarre. And FYI I have been banned because it was me, twice lol. I haven't really played actively since the second one because of how absurd it was - it's not fun being made an example for something good 5+ people did by accident because it's you.

Since when is this an ok thing to do stupid shit like this? Ruining an event by being a troll?

Ruining a respawn event by going in for kills for the faction and respawning - shock horror!

Look, @Lonewolf87 is right, it's just a game, it's about people having fun and protecting players like him. Haste aside, the current admins are trying their best to be neutral, talking directly to us like they do to DTR, instead would have gone a long way when I ran the n.1 faction on the server. Back then it was really bad with little to no admin communication, dodgy things going on from admins with a conflict of interest. Now they try, but still the system should change - I'm not surprised DTR still feel like they are being treated unfairly.

i myself got killt 4 times by a unkown player von mayer while in my miner hege and my transport correo in less than 20 hours it kill the fun of the game and ppl will leave the game cuz of this.

I really think this is the main thing that should be reported and sanctioned honestly, that is no fun.

[Goliath]

Not a Lemon feedback thread.

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[James Greed]

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[Perfect Gentleman]

I'll put my cents in.

I'll start from a distance. I have no personal beef with DTR or the Administration/Staff. Everyone is doing their own thing, but everyone needs to see boundaries and standards. The very ones that every player here, who honestly understands that he is on an RP server, is equal to.

And if the standards are met by everyone, you will have something resembling harmony. But what I see in this situation is this:

1. DTRs disregard generally accepted RP standards.

- @Nika and me started our investigation into the Noth group (we'll catch you guys sooner or later), and one of the steps of our investigation was to interview random players, who were also DTR players. Just because they messaged us. In one of the meetings, we simply saw how a person transporting artifacts was unable to construct sentences correctly, and seemed to have no idea where he was. The second meeting was in Theta, where we had a very unproductive conversation with a battlecruiser under DTR tag, after which we decided to abandon this idea of ​​interrogating DTRs first and almost immediately switched to the Phoenixes, from where things moved forward.

Just imagine a random guy who suddenly wants to conduct some RP with you. Not by agreement, but simply by entering space and wanting to talk about something. And how will it end?

While doing this, I stumble across a random post by the Kusari government and discover this. I was particularly attracted to the picture.

And, after 2-3 years of existence, you still facing the problem your players approach the RP process completely illiterate. I also inquired with Ceu about the general situation in DTR with RP, and I discover this:

Perfect Gentleman — 22.04.2025 22:03
By the way, how are DTR members doing with RP in general? I've heard mostly negative reviews, but I'd like to know your opinion personally.
Ceu — 22.04.2025 22:31
They are alright. Those who try to RP do well, but there is not alot of RP done and sometimes their english is not good

The cherry on the cake was the very metagame event, the context of which you all know. That is, people needed to explain in a separate post what a metagame is. The DTR command seriously believed that such a thing was possible, simply because someone there on the team agreed with them. So, by that logic we should raid Alaska simply because if we can dock with a normal jumpgate, we can use this one leading to Alaska from NY. Am I right? That is, your question didn’t raise any doubts in you at all?

Daily reminder, you are an official faction.

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2. You blatantly lie to those around you about working with newbies.

- DTRs allow themselves to do this and this. Context for the first video: I make a jump to Sigma-17 and find one (or two) battlecruisers, a bomber and a gunboat attacking me, who is on a bomber. Timing is 5:20. You know the context of the second video without me.

You point out that you follow the rules and talk to your people. Okay. Then explain to me why, in 2 years, with your unique approach, you haven't developed a clear system of what exactly a newcomer who comes to you should know? The change in command staff does not affect this. Why, after 2 years, has it still not dawned on your people what they need to do to avoid being unfairly accused of something again?

Why do these same people, who are unable to connect two words together due to their poor knowledge of English and complete lack of understanding of the RP, somehow get the tag of an official faction? You just need to be close to the newbie and help him personally, and not just throw him into the meat grinder for slaughter, giving out the tag of your faction and creating an exclusively negative opinion about yourself. Yes, it is harsh. But I do not blame people for bad English. We are not perfect, and this is a fact. But observing banal grammar and logical construction of your actions is probably not so difficult, right? This is RP: you write, knowing what and about what you are writing.

The responsibility for the newbie group is higher than any other thing (even faction) on this server.

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3. All this is happening, please note, over 4 months, starting from January 1, 2025, to April 30.

DTRs managed to raise a whole wave of negativity towards them in 4 months. And all this is just a series of cases in these 4 months, the end of which was a discussion that started in another thread.

You are doing the wrong thing. You refuse to accept a simple understanding of how and what works here. You are doing what you are doing on purpose, making up excuses in your favor on the fly. To commit so many violations, and very flagrant ones at that, usually deprived the faction of its official status. And you, apparently, do not value this status. At the same time, everyone who wants to is quick to remind others that "DTRs are active and help newbies".

They do not help them. If you helped them anonymously, without calling them into your ranks, then yes - I would agree with you and your great mission. But you're literally not giving them anything that's normally welcome on this server. The math about "lots of people in faction = lots of sanctions to that faction" only holds true when that lot of people don't controlling themselves and allow themselves to break the rules.

But the real reason is not because others (non-DTR) players and admins are too violent, but because of you:

- Inviting newbies directly to DTRs with no any introductory information;
- setting them on farm/raidlogs and no matter what they'll do there;
- inviting in official faction people with low-English-skills and just whole misunderstanding what RP is.

There are a thousand other methods of how to gather a company and keep people even without knowledge of English, while managing to make everything around you cool and leave only an exclusive opinion about yourself. You choose the most negative path for both you and the people around you. And who benefits from this? There is no third party, "the instigator", who remains in the shadows, and all this supposedly benefits him.

And again, I will remind you that I have nothing against you. Everyone decides for themselves what to do on this server. But everything I read and what I see - in total, it goes beyond all possible limits.

I still think that the Admins' decision regarding that big warning was wrong. Yes, it was looks like you became a scapegoat. Yes, it was ugly. You definitely do not deserve all this. No one does. It only multiplied the negativity.

But you have already tried to test the patience of many, many people on this server. And now they are paying you back in the same coin. It's mutual.

Just think seriously about why this is happening and has been going on for 2 years. It's clearly not about them.

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[Perfect Gentleman]

DELETE, DOUBLE-MESSAGED SOMEHOW

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