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[Omicron]

Why would official Zoner factions support that?

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Well Good point, I obviously started with the critical ones, but its not just going to focus on 1 goal, after all zoners aren't civilians but they are likely profit-scroungers, so the orginizatin should have more to offer in order for these factions to sign up, and ill work on it.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Haste]

The thing I think you're missing here is that Zoners aren't really a faction. Yes, there's a "Zoner" IFF, NPCs, and all that.. But they're a concept. A Commonwealth Zoner is nothing like a TAZ space-hippie who in turn is nothing like an OSI shipper. The Phoenix are the closest thing to the stereotypical edge world Zoner.

Imagine if Order somehow got into a major conflict with the Corsairs. All-out war. It can happen, you never know. Now, the Phoenix Zoners somehow get pushed into making a choice: pick either the Order or the Corsairs as your ally, the other will be your enemy. For the sake of this hypothetical situation, the Phoenix ally with the Order and clinge onto their dear lives under the Order's protection.

Neat.

However, OSI might want to keep moving those shiny artifacts the Corsairs seem to dig up everywhere. Maybe they want to keep delivering food. They don't want to suffer diplomatic losses because of the Phoenix. That's when not being united suddenly becomes a major boon.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

The thing I think you're missing here is that Zoners aren't really a faction. Yes, there's a "Zoner" IFF, NPCs, and all that.. But they're a concept. A Commonwealth Zoner is nothing like a TAZ space-hippie who in turn is nothing like an OSI shipper. The Phoenix are the closest thing to the stereotypical edge world Zoner.

Imagine if Order somehow got into a major conflict with the Corsairs. All-out war. It can happen, you never know. Now, the Phoenix Zoners somehow get pushed into making a choice: pick either the Order or the Corsairs as your ally, the other will be your enemy. For the sake of this hypothetical situation, the Phoenix ally with the Order and clinge onto their dear lives under the Order's protection.

Neat.

However, OSI might want to keep moving those shiny artifacts the Corsairs seem to dig up everywhere. Maybe they want to keep delivering food. They don't want to suffer diplomatic losses because of the Phoenix. That's when not being united suddenly becomes a major boon.

Its a possibility, but as I said it will be democratic in nature, which means "friendly" to everyone. And zoners are not allied with anyone, telling so inrp is a lie, any alliance that the zoners have is a plain rumor. and it will remain as such

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Haste]

It would seem you missed my point. Unfortunate.

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[Stolt.]

Actually, I believe something like this existed before. It was the old Zoner Alliance (THE OLD ONE, not the new one that Zoner-Trader/Tri_Urdent and Tel Aviv have started). It consisted of the official Zoner factions back then (roughly 3-4 years ago) including the ZTC (which became the Omicroners), OSI and TAZ. Independent Zoners could also join independently. But as far as I know, it apparently fell apart due to constant infighting and lack of consensus. You should ask n00bl3t and Doc Holliday for more information. I used to be part of this back in 4.85 but I left before it broke up.

EDIT: Read the entire first post, nvm delete my comment.

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[Omicron]

Ok, so let's say all Zoners are united and vote.

Each major faction may result in being pissed off as vote does not go according to the principles they are following, group breaks. All over.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

It would seem you missed my point. Unfortunate.

There is no point, because zoners cannot ally with anyone unless its a "trade" kinda agreement, and sure as hell not in a millitary way, and zoners do not act by themselves, they hire people who do the dirty work for them, thats a true zoner. And such scenario will not exist because zoners will always lie, thats how the rp goes and thats how its going to stay.
Your point is already "alive" - look at the core+order, you think the core knows that phoenix supports order? no, because if they did they would have capped their arse. In rl we all know the truth, but its not about rl.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Omicron]

Core do hates Zoners and knows very well Phoenix supports Order... however what it would say about Core if they did went to murder Zoner civilians? They need a solid reason to shoot, at least according to current guidelines of BHG Core.

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[Haste]

Thing is, unity would weaken the Zoners.

The OSI managed to tick off the Rheinlanders somehow (please, don't derail this thread by arguing how it went improperly or something, that's irrelevant). They're not welcome there anymore.

This does not mean however that the TAZ also have to explain themselves to Rheinland. Or the Phoenix. Or the Commonwealth. That's because they're not the same group at all.

Yet if they were officially united under some abstract "Zoner" banner, they would all suffer the consequences of one group's actions.

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because zoners cannot ally with anyone

zoners will always lie

Err. So they're all clones with identical personalities and approaches to diplomacy?

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