Loldestroying bases allowed or not?

[Lumik]

So the thread on the forum can be simply "hey, we know about your base and guess what? We will kill it soon because we are evil/you are building your base on our turf without our permisson!" what is the same as pirate saying "Stop your engines and give me 20 millions or dai." It is called minimum roleplay require. Of course it can be much more longer and more RP but this is minimum for pvp between ships, and Canon probably wanted some minimum at base destroying too. To prevent situations when lolwutters are destryoing bases just because they can at the moment and there is no other inRP reason.

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[Duvelske]

sigh you guys make me laugh so hard.. But.. to start Thyr.. look at your signature.. isn't it something cannon did say too?

Also if you read a book. Do you look halfway to see if there is something which could make sense to be printed on the first page? (ak Cannon his words not on the rulesheet).

To add, if you need to make a RP post about its deconstruction... So contact has to be with its owner and the sieging fella's. But if the owner of the station never responds to a comm post? In a way you may NEVER destroy it. I remember in the past there where people upset their base being blown away for example within liberty. Some people who play do not visit the forums much. Even some base owners. Ok if their base will be destroyed due to that its themselves to blame. But in a way you are now telling that if the owner never responds they may never siege it and it would be sanctionable. I have to disagree with it. Also a base siege takes long if a base is well supplied. If it would die with like 5 ships attacking it i would agree. But with seing how hard it is to destroy it, i would suggest to just shoot and hope you are not caught shooting it. (if you want to waste your time on such things)

There is only 1 but.. keep to this rule:

6.9 You must follow the restrictions/allowances of your ID, as well as the diplomacy of the NPC faction it represents. If your ID does not represent an NPC faction (generic IDs), then your reputation and conduct must match the actions of your character. You must not dock at bases that your NPC faction is hostile to, or attack allies of your NPC faction.

So you NEVER can shoot your OWN kind or a base of the same affliation. ONLY with a FR5 (MAYBE) but not BEFORE

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[SummerMcLovin]

So contact has to be with its owner and the sieging fella's. But if the owner of the station never responds to a comm post? In a way you may NEVER destroy it

Well even when shooting a player, they need not respond - all you need to do is RP in either local or system before attacking. Otherwise we could all protect ourselves by being silent powertraders.
The RP can be done with the base owners if they happen to be there (which I think was the case with Livadia Palace and the Gammuian Uplink) or failing that with a forum post - at least that is the way I've seen it.

Also cleaned the thread a little. Keep it on-topic and as relevant discussion.

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[Lumik]

To add, if you need to make a RP post about its deconstruction... So contact has to be with its owner and the sieging fella's. But if the owner of the station never responds to a comm post? In a way you may NEVER destroy it. I remember in the past there where people upset their base being blown away for example within liberty. Some people who play do not visit the forums much. Even some base owners. Ok if their base will be destroyed due to that its themselves to blame. But in a way you are now telling that if the owner never responds they may never siege it and it would be sanctionable. I have to disagree with it. Also a base siege takes long if a base is well supplied. If it would die with like 5 ships attacking it i would agree. But with seing how hard it is to destroy it, i would suggest to just shoot and hope you are not caught shooting it. (if you want to waste your time on such things)

I didn´t say anything about need of respond. I said there doesn´t have to be communication, just at least announcement, same as there must be at least some short annoncement before ships pvp fight starts. If the other side stays silent, it will not help (silent trader can be destroyed, and same bases of silent owner).

So the thread on the forum can be simply "hey, we know about your base and guess what? We will kill it soon because we are evil/you are building your base on our turf without our permisson!" what is the same as pirate saying "Stop your engines and give me 20 millions or dai." It is called minimum roleplay require. Of course it can be much more longer and more RP but this is minimum for pvp between ships, and Canon probably wanted some minimum at base destroying too. To prevent situations when lolwutters are destryoing bases just because they can at the moment and there is no other inRP reason.

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[Bootsiuv]

I would think that making a forum post and giving a set amount of time, such as 24 hours, would stop most people from blowing up bases just because they can.

Then again, many people I run into have never heard of discoverygc.com, and don't sound too enthusiastic when I tell them to check it out. I assume it's because 70% of the people I meet on the server nowadays know about 3 words of English.

It would be somewhat difficult to sanction regardless, much to my chagrin...

Unless the admins can tell what ships were shooting at the base, the base owner/s would have to be logged in at the time, receive no in-game rp, and take screenshots.

It's difficult, which is why I assume they've taken the stance they have up to this point...pretty much "space is dangerous, good luck".

I don't like the lack of rp, but after dwelling on it further, I do understand why it's hard to punish people for it.

[Hone]

Giving a time limit would be pretty dumb, because that would let the owners know their base has run out of regens, so they supply it and you lose your chance to destroy it.

Besides even if you attack straight away, itl take hours to kill, so they have time while your doing that.

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[Bootsiuv]

Giving a time limit would be pretty dumb, because that would let the owners know their base has run out of regens, so they supply it and you lose your chance to destroy it.

That's just it though, isn't it?

If we want to stop "lolwuttery" and people from shooting bases simply because they come across one with no regens, we need to make some kind of rules requiring rp be done before-hand.

BUT....if we conduct RP before-hand, we lose the element of surprise and strategy that one might expect from a military operation.

Honestly, I'm torn at this point on how best to handle it.

I know "the Blackpool Incident" didn't seem like the way to go though...

[Hone]

Id say its pretty simple, to make shooting bases for no reason against the rules, you dont have to make a time limit (as I said shooting it takes hours even without regens) just apply the same rules as you would to a silent player.

A GRN BS isnt allowed to destroy a player he doesnt have an RP reason to destroy, even if he sits there saying nothing, but he can destroy a silent stationary player that he would have an RP reason to fight. Apply that to bases, if someone destroys a base, they have to be able to prove they had an RP reason to do so, and they wernt out of their ZOI ect. The same as if someone destroyed a silent stationary player.

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[SMGSterlin]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Hone is right.



Make some form of RP be had before shooting a base, and if that base is outside your ZOI, then you have no reason to shoot it. Also, if the affiliation of the base is that of your ID, you also are not allowed to shoot it, in relation to rule 6.9.

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[Huhuh]

I would have thought if a base is owned by someone you're at war with, you should be able to pop it straight away.

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