As a general point, I tried to give a balance between bold and non-bold systems for each house, and also a balance between what is sensible gameplay-wise and for RP. The difference in structure of some houses and faction ZoIs can lead to a bit of mess trying to prevent any weird combinations.
This way of doing it also changed a few times so there could be mistakes or oversights, bring them up as above and I'll consider them.
(11-09-2013, 03:37 AM)Teerin Wrote: -Remove Leeds from Bretonia House Space (keep listed as Bretonia BW) for now since the Kingdom no longer holds any territory in space there.
Still not intending to let Zoners dock there. Wouldn't think the GRN would either.
Quote:- Add Leeds to the ZoIs of Gallic Corporate factions who now operate bases there
A good point. Will try and add ZoI for any system a faction has a base in. Covers the next point:
(11-09-2013, 11:51 AM)Tunicle Wrote: Tau 23, 31, Leeds, Orkney not being Gallic corp ZOI seems odd?
Quote:- With Rheinland having blown up the gates to Hamburg in Hudson/Bering (from what I've heard effectively ceding those systems to Liberty) and the Liberty Navy having posted Battleship Alma in Hudson, perhaps add one or both of those to the Liberty BW list.
Adding either would open up Hamburg a bit too much to Liberty factions, while inRP it is rather cut off.
Quote:- For Gallic factions with bases in Lorraine, add Omicron-80 to their ZoI so that they are better able to handle sticky situations. Since O-80 no longer links directly to O-Alpha, fights won't often spill into the Outcast capitol.
Could consider it, yeah.
Quote:- Every system not a quasi or unlawful guard is listed within a region aside from Lewis and all the Independent systems near Liberty. Not really an issue, just a bit odd.
The Independent Systems are much easier to do given there was little expansion in Disco (compared to the Taus and Omegas for example), easily covered where needed by "systems bordering [house]".
Lewis added to Taus, was too busy focusing on how not to include Orkney in 'Bretonia+1'
(11-09-2013, 08:14 AM)Ponge Wrote:
(11-09-2013, 06:51 AM)Johnnie-Lapierre Wrote: Hmm this was a bit unexpected: "Tau-23 replaces "Taus" on GMS ID"
Yes, add at least Tau-29, please (raw hydrocarbon field mineable by GMS there).
Doesn't stop you mining there, nor in O-3 if you really want. I-D-F field is "the GMS one" albeit low-yield.
(11-09-2013, 08:42 AM)West Wrote: Also you forgot to add OITA to Kusari housae space ZOI.
Yeah, suppose I did. Italic only though.
(11-09-2013, 11:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Xenos in Shikoku?
Since they have a base in the next system. Pews with Hogosha are a better possibility now.
(11-09-2013, 11:35 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Why is Dublin Bretonian house space?
Has a significant house presence and jumpgate to their capital.
(11-09-2013, 05:13 PM)SMGSterlin Wrote:
(11-09-2013, 02:28 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote:
Omega-3 removed from Kruger ID
Wat.
They don't have any operations here. Daumann have it because of Rugen, while Kruger's +1 system is Sigma-13 for stealing gas.
(11-09-2013, 11:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Xenos in Shikoku? That makes very very little sense, they are concerned with Liberty and keeping foreigners out of Liberty, not going out and attacking Foreigners outside of Liberty.
My thoughts exactly. We would have nothing to do there aside from interdicting libertonians trading out-of-house but.. We can do that in Colorado already. <.<.
As for pewing Hogosha.. We don't really care about them. Like, at all.
They hate Junkers and are allies with Corsairs, pewing them would accomplish nothing unless they were smuggling stuff into Liberty or in Liberty.
(11-09-2013, 11:35 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Why is Dublin Bretonian house space?
You're right, it's obviously part of the Ireland house...
Dublin was part of Bretonia in SP, and still is. The Mollys are a separatist movement modelled after real-world equivalent groups. Even if Dublin became independent (due to the Molly's taking the system or what will have you), it would still count as Bretonia for the sake of dividing space into it's regions. Hence why Gallic-occupied territories count as Bretonia and Boarder Worlds still.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)
Thanks Summer for looking over those. I've brainstormed a few more though
- Tottori is one of the italicized systems for Kusari, but it doesn't make much sense that the Hogosha wouldn't be able to get away with their business in a system which only has bases owned by them and the FA.
- Auvergne is listed as Gallic House, with Dauphine as Gallic BW. I know it was this way in 4.86, but it doesn't make that much sense considering that Auvergne is a system still being developed, has a large Council base, and only borders one other House System, Orleanais (the others being Corse and Provence). On the other hand, Dauphine is well developed and borders both Orleanais and Berry, along with Languedoc.
- Unless you count Magellan being Liberty owned now with the seizure of Freeport 4, Kansas no longer connects directly to any other Liberty system (VA got moved). I don't know that its classification as a Liberty BW system that local quasilawfuls are unable to pirate in is really that important though, but I figured I point it out.
(11-09-2013, 06:11 PM)SummerMcLovin Wrote:
(11-09-2013, 03:37 AM)Teerin Wrote: -Remove Leeds from Bretonia House Space (keep listed as Bretonia BW) for now since the Kingdom no longer holds any territory in space there.
Still not intending to let Zoners dock there. Wouldn't think the GRN would either.
- The Zoner ID should already be rephacked hostile to all the Gallic bases there, correct?
(11-09-2013, 03:37 AM)Teerin Wrote: Remove Leeds from Bretonia House Space (keep listed as Bretonia BW) for now since the Kingdom no longer holds any territory in space there.
Well, Bretonia is still in control of the entire planet except some regions being captured already by GRN. Ofcourse in time more regions are going to fall or stall but just because GRN captured 3 stations doesn't mean they control Leeds at its full extend.
The current Leeds is not like Edinburgh...in total control by GRN.
(11-09-2013, 11:35 AM)Trogdor Wrote: Why is Dublin Bretonian house space?
House Bretonia was always been in control of its primary gold source - Dublin. Thats been signed by the presence of the BMM base (still operational), the jump gate and one entire fleet - Essex. It's strange to ask something like that. Example: why is california Liberty house space?
(11-09-2013, 02:28 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: Zoner caps cannot dock in ,,,,,,,,,,, but can in Dundee, Edinburgh, Poole and Salisbury.
On the topic - why are zoners allowed to dock in BAF's guard system? Salisbury is still under armed forces control and you know - people are training there - it wont be cool if 10 zoner dreads are been parked there and undock every minute (its a bit exaggerated but I guess you took my point). So why Sali? Is there a new idea to integrate zoner caps in to house space or provoke them to go there for a reason?
Whatever the RP explanation for Zoners not being allowed to dock in house space, I doubt the system changing hands is going to change it. Leeds is still part of Bretonia geographically, and (regardless of control) house space. "Bretonia and house space" isn't quite the same as "Bretonian house space" but rules-wise it is.
Kansas is in the house list for its connection to Humboldt mostly.
Tottori, not quite so important rules-wise but is definitely Kusari inRP.
The Hogosha-Xeno conflict is from vanilla, you are free to not acknowledge it though.
Gallia is structured differently from other houses, treating them as separate borderworlds, and the fact that some systems have magically re-arranged themselves from when the RP was written made it difficult. Dauphine is heavily stated as a Border World throughout the Second Gallic Civil War story. Going by the Clermont infocard was reasonable for Core systems, but now that Lyonnais actually borders something non-Gallic and Provence is even more in the arse-end of nowhere I moved it along.
Also it is kind of balanced if you scoop out the guard systems.
(11-10-2013, 03:05 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: Kansas is in the house list for its connection to Humboldt mostly.
What?
Humboldt is not a house system or even a house border world. It connects to Kansas, Vespucci, and Puerto Rico, none of which are Libertonian house systems. Kansas connects to Humboldt, Magellan (an Independent System), and the friggin' Shrine.
If Kansas is in the house list for its connection to Humboldt, then Baffin should be in the Kusari house border list for its connection to Tau-29.
By any sense of logic, Puerto Rico should be a Liberty border world instead of Kansas.
"So Humboldt is a +1 from Liberty" I meant. Allows for some unlawful and lawful presence, and saves both systems from having to be added specifically to a number of IDs (tried to tidy this up where possible. You should have seen the old GMG list).
RP-wise I'd have treated it the same as Inverness, but as I said it's a bit of a balancing act between RP, gameplay and ease of rules.
Using PR instead: restricting Junkers from doing Junker things in their guard system... let's not.
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