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[roadrunner]

Wihout permission from Slavik i will give my 5 cents.

I was one of the chaps in JG that saw the problem with our members setup, and from i informed counsil that we had to do something about it it didn take 2 hours before a first post was made on our forum, reguarding what equpiment was allowed to use.


As Slavik said we have a max of 2 Corsair weapons allowed on our ships. No OC weaps will be allowed.
I expect that when the holliday is over our members will got on forum and get their set up changed acording to our new Rules.

I will not go into alot of the other questions, i will only say that Liberty Atoruties have in the past had no problem in asking us to help them, And they did not ask questions about our members weapons, So i dont really see why this is brought up now where we have Ordered our Members to fix the set up on every single ship.

As for our deal with Corsairs.
I am tradewing Commander of our Elite tradewing.
We fly regulary supplyes of food and medicine to Crete.
And there had never been any problems for us in Gamma ( well there was 1 but that was taken care off fast)

Roadrunner

Elite tradewing Commander

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I am not a native English Speaker, so i make grammar errors.
But it annoys me when people make silly comments about that... especially brits who for the most part can't speak their own language let alone anyone elses!

[sn!p3r]

I give the jupiter guild contracts a lot of the time. No complaints from me.

[bluntpencil2001]

I have a problem with mercenaries having a trade wing, actually. You're one or the other.

Let me put it this way... Let us say that you are hired by the KNF to war against the BAF. Are the BAF allowed to shoot your traders to death now? By the rules, no.

Let's say, for example, that you're at war with the Outcasts. Should they now rob your transports or blow them up, since you're at war?

Or, for instance, there are some organisations that simply don't trust mercenaries, and jhave a 'zero tolerance' policy. Should they blow up your transports, since you're essentially mercenaries in the wrong ships?

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[tfmachad]

I have a problem with mercenaries having a trade wing, actually. You're one or the other.

Let me put it this way... Let us say that you are hired by the KNF to war against the BAF. Are the BAF allowed to shoot your traders to death now? By the rules, no.

Let's say, for example, that you're at war with the Outcasts. Should they now rob your transports or blow them up, since you're at war?

Blunt, I'd say I disagree with you in there. This is an RP server after all. Some time ago we had a group of Corsairs financing their Osirises (yes, in the plural) with Diamond-Niobium money from traders that sported the very same tag they used to attack us in Rheinland in their capitals. After collecting enough evidence that the group was the same one (both from rumors from people that wandered outside of our ZoI, long range sensors and the sort) we started shooting their traders as Corsair collaborators. After all, that's what they were, without hiding the fact. Anything different from that and I'd call it circumventing RP with a technicality. I'd say the JG must be prepared to have their traders influenced by their group's diplomacy, because in RP they aren't merely traders, but supporters of a group of mercenaries.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
I Mon'Star: The Strange Case of Elizabeth Wallace

[roadrunner]

I have a problem with mercenaries having a trade wing, actually. You're one or the other.

Let me put it this way... Let us say that you are hired by the KNF to war against the BAF. Are the BAF allowed to shoot your traders to death now? By the rules, no.

Let's say, for example, that you're at war with the Outcasts. Should they now rob your transports or blow them up, since you're at war?

As Elite Tradewing commander i am the one to answer your question.

We did make The (IC) ending of our name so that all others could see that we are not a fighting force.
Offcourse If [\JG/] gets hired in a war against a house the tradewing?s will not do any trading in the House system that [\JG/] are fighting ( we might skimm the system on our route and we are fully aware that we can be destroyed onsight and will not complain if it happens in a house system). But we also expect that when Hostilities are ended that house systems understand thet we will do trading in that system.
In a short Our traders will be awoid the Warzone.

If you have further questions feel free to ask me.


Roadrunner

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I am not a native English Speaker, so i make grammar errors.
But it annoys me when people make silly comments about that... especially brits who for the most part can't speak their own language let alone anyone elses!

[Slavik]

Well thats the danger of the tag, our members are informed of the risks and have accepted them.

Our current "normal" tradewing has a member stop so it will not grow any bigger in the near future and there are plans to "get rid" of the "elite" trade wing al togheter and have them operate independantly.

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once known as Richard Farbridge, OBE and Ronaldo Benitez

[tfmachad]

Well, Road and Slavik. I must say that I've always been iffy about the colorful combinations of ships and equipment you used to fly around with. It's an excellent step forward for you guys to come up with some self imposed restrictions that are meaningful according to your actions and diplomacy. Good luck.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
I Mon'Star: The Strange Case of Elizabeth Wallace

[roadrunner]

Well, Road and Slavik. I must say that I've always been iffy about the colorful combinations of ships and equipment you used to fly around with. It's an excellent step forward for you guys to come up with some self imposed restrictions that are meaningful according to your actions and diplomacy. Good luck.

Gronath
As Slavik statet discussions to "get rid" of the "elite" trade wing al togheter and have them operate independantly.
have been discussed for almost 2 months. I for one is against it.
You may ask why.

We do not try to hide that we have a fleet of traders making cash for our clan, many other clans do what they can to hide that they have a orginised trade fleet to make cash for them.

All of us that fly these ships know and understand the risk in piloting these ships, but we do it and we are proud to show where we belong to, Also in my Elite wing every pilot is a invite, and he/she knows the Danger.

We have discussed to get indipendent and to loose the [\JG/] but even tru this is a RP server players will not see a difference betwene [\JG/]Roadrunner(IC) or Roadrunner(IC) or the other Pilots in our tradewing,
we made a statement in showing that whe are our char and that we belong to a guild.
So we keep our Elite trade wing flying.

Roadrunner

Elite tradewing commander

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I am not a native English Speaker, so i make grammar errors.
But it annoys me when people make silly comments about that... especially brits who for the most part can't speak their own language let alone anyone elses!

[tfmachad]

Gronath
As Slavik statet discussions to "get rid" of the "elite" trade wing al togheter and have them operate independantly.
have been discussed for almost 2 months. I for one is against it.
You may ask why.
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Actually, I'd say I agree with you. Having trade ships marked after your organization demonstrates that your money is coming from that source (as well). Even though people may expect a mercenary group to concentrate on the fighting business, it's not that simple. Being in a group and having a complex diplomacy as you guys do is something that just restricts the jobs you can actually fulfill.

Also, even though we have numerous bounties open, if you really pay attention, most of those are against on specific independent character that may not come in game for a whole week, or fly in a different time zone than that of your group, and that will delete/remake/rename/log off the character out of fear of the people pursuing the bounty. I can understand why you guys chose to trade together and employ your own pilots as escorts. It's business diversification.

I, for myself, don't really have a problem with the [\JG/] logo painted in a transport as long as you accept the RP consequences of that, which you said you do. So it's all good as far as I'm concerned.

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Meet the Kriegers - The story of a family and of two men that shared more than just a name
Fantasmas de la Nube Siniestra
I Mon'Star: The Strange Case of Elizabeth Wallace

[sovereign]

The bit where you have Corsair equipment and work for/with people who are enemies of the Corsairs didn't get too much light here... can I get a statement saying that you absolutely will not try to operate lawfully in Liberty with ships containing Corsair equipment?

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