The Junker's Union

[Tenacity]

If you going to b posting threads like this, it really looks a lot like an official faction statement. Your asking for opinions of weather this is acceptable or not, yet your saying its unofficial? Sorry to say, but that's kinda loophole explotation. However, I understand you wouldn't see it this way.

The only way for your factiont o remain un-offical, is to create it without any postings about it here in 'factions'

I'll wait for your response before I take futher action.

Verg

I didnt post it in the faction creation requests forum, so it's perfectly fine where it sits.

The only reason I'm not making this official (yet) is because i find it stupid as hell to have to shovel up 500 million credits to the admins. There's nothing saying I cant use the forums for it, or recruit for it, even as an unofficial group.

The post was made both to serve as recruitment and to get some feedback on the 'proposal', as well as to get the group name out there so people know who we are when they cross us in-game.

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[chopper]

I believe it's perfectly legit to post here even as an unofficial group.
=BSG= had it's own recruitment after the breakdown, even though it was unofficial.
No one made a fuzz about it.
In a same way you can have an unofficial message dump in the RP section, just not in the "Message dumps" section, as it's reserved for official factions.

Also, no one complained when The Eagles made their 'unofficial' thread?

What -is- against moral principles is to post here with intention to become official in the near future, and use this as a feedback for your 'future proposal'.
Now that isn't nice, as I'v seen other factions denied even though they payed 500 mil.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Qunitinius~Verginix]

From what I cans ee, you have things such as Allegiances, you have a roster with members, you have ranks, the works. All the makings of an official faction. You have said you want to remain unofficial, yet you have a thread for gaining opinions members and such. I have locked topics with even less 'official faction stuff' then this one.

Make a choice, im giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

verg

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[Tenacity]

What -is- against moral principles is to post here with intention to become official in the near future, and use this as a feedback for your 'future proposal'.
Now that isn't nice, as I'v seen other factions denied even though they payed 500 mil.

That's a decision that will be made in the future. At the moment I have no intention of making this an official faction.

From what I cans ee, you have things such as Allegiances, you have a roster with members, you have ranks, the works. All the makings of an official faction. You have said you want to remain unofficial, yet you have a thread for gaining opinions members and such. I have locked topics with even less 'official faction stuff' then this one.

Make a choice, im giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

verg

So you're trying to lock the thread just because I worded it like an official faction post? You got something against me or what?

Just because I made it look organized and not like a pile of slop doesnt mean I'm trying to make it official. I still see nothing wrong with posting this - I'm trying to get members, and it's not within the faction creation requests forum. Yes, I do want feedback from other players because the faction -will- (and already does) exist, even if it is unofficial. I see no forum rules preventing me from making a post about an unofficial faction so long as I do it here and not in the official factions forum.

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[Culebra]

What are you going to use for a bomber until the Junker bomber gets implemented?

[Thexare]

So you're trying to lock the thread just because I worded it like an official faction post? You got something against me or what?

Just because I made it look organized and not like a pile of slop doesnt mean I'm trying to make it official. I still see nothing wrong with posting this - I'm trying to get members, and it's not within the faction creation requests forum. Yes, I do want feedback from other players because the faction -will- (and already does) exist, even if it is unofficial. I see no forum rules preventing me from making a post about an unofficial faction so long as I do it here and not in the official factions forum.

He complained about me doing similar with my unofficial trader faction a while back. Either it's (absurd) policy, or he has a grudge against both of us - and the latter seems quite unlikely.

I really don't get it. People whine about no-RP independents and unofficial factions, and when an unofficial faction actually goes to the effort of describing and explaining its RP, we get told by the admins not to. What do you people want? We're not all going to file into the nearest official faction, so come up with another idea.

[Turkish]

There have been multiple unofficial groups and "factions" that have posted fully fledged status posts in the past, Chopper sited the obvious =BSG=, but there are also groups like the Eagles and several other smaller niche groups from other servers. None of which had any complaint like this one lodged against them by any staff members.

Tenacity has taken the time to write a through history and meaning, ship list, roster, diplomacy. Gone and asked the community their thoughts and feelings as well as whether they think he's stepped out of line in how he's established this, both in the equipment and in the principle. This is the most effort I've seen put into an unofficial group by far in my time here, and I'm pleasantly surprsied by it.

And you want to punish him for that?

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[Tenacity]

What are you going to use for a bomber until the Junker bomber gets implemented?

We're not a primary combat faction, so we really dont need a bomber. If it becomes an issue I can add the preagle to the list.

Our only real threats as junkers in the area of space the faction is based from are the wilde, and they dont really have access to capships (scorpion gunboats are used for omega 55/58 defense only as far as i know).

We have the harvesters with their capships for 'protection' when it's needed. The only combat ships we should need are gunboats and fighters - and gunboats are being regulated to only the leaders of the faction (currently myself, and others if they prove the need for one). We almost always have at least one harvester hanging out in O15 near bornholme, and that's plenty of combat support for a junker faction.

I currently have my corsair gunboat - the JU-Midgard - parked at bornholme for station security (well, soon as i get my rep fixed it'll be parked there).

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[Culebra]

I see well my family is going to start to take a larger role in Junker defense so you should see us around 0-15 and Yanagi helping to clear out the riff raff.

[chopper]

We're not a primary combat faction, so we really dont need a bomber. If it becomes an issue I can add the preagle to the list.

Ummm.. Waran? Big hold, sold on a Junker base, crap in pvp (though preagle is as well)?
Why not Waran? It's the only bomber Junkers should use.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del