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KTA - affiliation and ID

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Samura Heavy Industries
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9 37.50%
Kishiro Technologies
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Hogosha
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KTA - affiliation and ID
Offline Fluffyball
07-17-2014, 11:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2014, 11:56 AM by Fluffyball.)
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(07-17-2014, 09:25 AM)Omicron Wrote: If you're not exactly Samura, it is only proper choice to remain independent - you may settle your diplomacy as you wish, independently from big player's games. Just to back this up, being Samura may have unexpected consequences in GMG, Bretonia and some unlawfuls being not so nice towards you. From what I recall reading about you, KTA are not exactly the type to oppose Blood Dragons/GC unless it has changed.
Info has been changed after all.

After all, ID says "MAY pirate Kishiro, GMG". As well as Kishiro ID says "MAY pirate Samura". However, Samura restart has GMG and Kishiro slightly towards hostile, yet affinity with Samura and Samura ID only points out the possibilities. If the rules of ID speaks "MAY pirate Samura and GMG outside Kusari space" - this one however needs to be clarified however what exacly we mean by Kusari space, the vanilia systems OR the systems factual in control of Kusari. I follow the rule that space belonging to Kusari is the system with KNF battleship presence (Tau 29, technically Tohoku). Rishiri belong factually to Samura, while Sigma 13 belongs technically to GMG, because there is no other lawful base (Helgoland became GMG base lately). Going along with this assumption, Tomioka is the only system that Samura owns entirely (sharing it with Farmers Alliance).

Oh, and Kishiro isn't Samura - they won't fire on sight or harrass Samura players on same scale as Samura is able to do. Not sure about GMG though.

For tl;dr:
KTA is not Samura faction, but uses Samura ID and IFF to attain legal status in Kusari. In roleplay KTA is enemy neither to GMG and Kishiro, because ID states that Samura MAY be hostile to those and piracy against them won't be enforced by KTA. Add up the fact that I would make a note to Kishiro and GMG (is there any player faction though...?) about the fact that KTA is not Samura.

(Think of something akin to the Takarabune. They are not Hogosha but they depend (?) on their support inRP.)

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Offline Karst
07-17-2014, 12:33 PM,
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(07-17-2014, 11:41 AM)Toji-Haku Wrote: Info has been changed after all.

After all, ID says "MAY pirate Kishiro, GMG". As well as Kishiro ID says "MAY pirate Samura". However, Samura restart has GMG and Kishiro slightly towards hostile, yet affinity with Samura and Samura ID only points out the possibilities. If the rules of ID speaks "MAY pirate Samura and GMG outside Kusari space" - this one however needs to be clarified however what exacly we mean by Kusari space, the vanilia systems OR the systems factual in control of Kusari. I follow the rule that space belonging to Kusari is the system with KNF battleship presence (Tau 29, technically Tohoku). Rishiri belong factually to Samura, while Sigma 13 belongs technically to GMG, because there is no other lawful base (Helgoland became GMG base lately). Going along with this assumption, Tomioka is the only system that Samura owns entirely (sharing it with Farmers Alliance).

What's considered house space within the rules isn't open to interpretation.
You can find a list of systems considered house space here:

Quote:Bold systems are considered house space for ID docking rules; italic systems in addition to the bold systems are considered house space for quasi-lawful piracy ID rules:

Kusari

New Tokyo
Hokkaido
Honshu
Kyushu
Shikoku


Fukuoka
Hiroshima
Nagano
Oita
Tottori

Quote:Oh, and Kishiro isn't Samura - they won't fire on sight or harrass Samura players on same scale as Samura is able to do. Not sure about GMG though.

For tl;dr:
KTA is not Samura faction, but uses Samura ID and IFF to attain legal status in Kusari. In roleplay KTA is enemy neither to GMG and Kishiro, because ID states that Samura MAY be hostile to those and piracy against them won't be enforced by KTA. Add up the fact that I would make a note to Kishiro and GMG (is there any player faction though...?) about the fact that KTA is not Samura.

(Think of something akin to the Takarabune. They are not Hogosha but they depend (?) on their support inRP.)

I think you might be best off following Omicron's advice then, and staying independent.
"KTA is not Samura faction, but uses Samura ID and IFF to attain legal status in Kusari."
It doesn't really work like that. If you use Samura ID, you ARE a Samura faction. Of course you can try to pursue better relations with GMG and Kishiro than the main branch, although you'll still be rephacked out of GMG bases.
And the piracy clause isn't something that needs "enforcing" - it's just a possibility the ID gives, nobody has to use it.
However, you should not be using an ID you have no intention of representing just because it's convenient. There's no need to use a Kusari corporate ID to attain "legal" status, freelance traders are perfectly welcome in Kusari.

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Offline Madotsuki
07-17-2014, 12:44 PM,
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Keep in mind the balance, and join Kishiro.

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Offline Omicron
07-17-2014, 12:45 PM,
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"May" is not an "may choose him as enemy" - it's open invitation to more militant users of ID to pillage their own competition within scopes of rules. The Order "may" also engage Nomads, LN "may" engage RM who are at war with them. You dont neccesarily need to use this opportunity if you dont want to actively partake in corporation's conflict.

There is still second way to go: If you really want to affilate yourself with Samura, say you're some sort of Kyushu/Farmer branch of them that concetrates on some specific objective within Samura's agenda. Picking Samura ID means you are employee of this corp, this way or another. However, faction's diplomacy, will all benefits and disadvantages will stick to you. No cure for that except independent ID.

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Offline Fluffyball
07-17-2014, 01:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2014, 01:10 PM by Fluffyball.)
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As I said, KTA still needs to be polished. We have been thinking of Trader ID, which is convinient, but would not KNF/RKS/KSP still accept KTA as Kusari-born company? I mean, I'm not even sure if there's Trader ID (haven't found one after going back to Disco).

Change of ID was caused by KTA ships, wearing Freelancer ID, were coldly welcomed by KNF and RKS.

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Offline Occam Razor
07-17-2014, 01:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2014, 01:18 PM by Occam Razor.)
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There is no Trader ID. All those generic IDs have been merged into the Freelancer ID.

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Offline Zen_Mechanics
07-17-2014, 01:22 PM,
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We know that KTA are farmers, but personaly I did not see the Samura ID as I have yet to encounter you. All contact I had with you was done via p.ms -in-game. Anyway, Samura is neutral because kishiro focuses on kusari as a whole, and not just on itself. Samura and hogosha are bad for kishiro cuz they try to damage the GMG relations with us, so in that sense kishiro will always be in tense relations with them. That doesn't mean that you cant be friendly and act otherwise, I don't think their lore is purely anti-kishiro, I'm sure you can use their ID and create your own faction-rp. Personaly, I'd go for Interspace if you wish to be in the middle.

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Offline Fluffyball
07-17-2014, 01:27 PM,
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(07-17-2014, 01:22 PM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: We know that KTA are farmers, but personaly I did not see the Samura ID as I have yet to encounter you. All contact I had with you was done via p.ms -in-game. Anyway, Samura is neutral because kishiro focuses on kusari as a whole, and not just on itself. Samura and hogosha are bad for kishiro cuz they try to damage the GMG relations with us, so in that sense kishiro will always be in tense relations with them. That doesn't mean that you cant be friendly and act otherwise, I don't think their lore is purely anti-kishiro, I'm sure you can use their ID and create your own faction-rp. Personaly, I'd go for Interspace if you wish to be in the middle.

Interspace have been ridden from Rheinland (KTA trade their goods to Rheinland as well). And you ask me, why Samura? Those are farmers from Kyushu and Tomioka, this is why Samura ID was such choice after all. After a long time KTA would find out forced to join Samura, being harrased by FA or even ridden off Kyushu and Tomioka, I believe.

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Offline Karst
07-17-2014, 01:29 PM,
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(07-17-2014, 01:05 PM)Toji-Haku Wrote: As I said, KTA still needs to be polished. We have been thinking of Trader ID, which is convinient, but would not KNF/RKS/KSP still accept KTA as Kusari-born company? I mean, I'm not even sure if there's Trader ID (haven't found one after going back to Disco).

Change of ID was caused by KTA ships, wearing Freelancer ID, were coldly welcomed by KNF and RKS.

You were coldly welcomed by the RKS because they caught you breaking contraband laws. I don't see a general issue with lobbying to be accepted by the government as a Kusari company, but you should wait for them to accept that bid before you start trading stuff only Kusari companies are permitted to.

I think that would be the most realistic thing for you to do. You seem to be pursuing a path that's friendly with Samura and Farmers, but also not unfriendly with Kishiro and GMG. There is no Kusari corporate ID that covers this, but for freelancers that's entirely possible.

(07-17-2014, 01:22 PM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: Personaly, I'd go for Interspace if you wish to be in the middle.

Please don't do this. IC is a mainly Libertonian insurance company. The KTA are supposed to be (the way I understand this) conservative Kyushu farmers. That's about as inappropriate an ID as the Order or something.

We have WAY too many people and factions already that use IC ID "because it's good for trading" with no RP justification whatsoever.

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Offline Fluffyball
07-17-2014, 01:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-17-2014, 01:37 PM by Fluffyball.)
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There's another justification after all: joining Samura can be temporal, until any other major event could breatkthrough (anyone for KCW?). You see, those are just farmers, they hail from Kyushu and they would need to obtain some money (however, ooRP KTA is already rich despite only two players and two-three ships and can afford for cruiser already Smile)

OH, and another reason why Samura ID.

Transports. Freelancer ID can't use transports bigger than 3600 (?).

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