Zoner Classification

[Thyrzul]

I know Zoners id is a generic id. Was wondering if they can be classified further.

3 broad classifications come to my mind.

Omnicron Zoners : Residents of Zoner Bases in Omnicrons.
Omega Zoners : Residents of Zoner bases in the Omegas.
Tau Zoners: Residents of Zoner bases in the Taus

Perhaps the residents in Baffin bases can be made into TAZ

What do you think of this ?

Lets discuss.

TAZ Zoners are (or until now have been) technically Tau Zoners. (Now they may or may not become Omega Zoners.)

Zoners are well zoners, you can't give them different id's since they have similar rules and idealogies the only unique zoners that come to mind are TAZ

Yeah basicly that, no need for different Zoner IDs if that was the intention of your thread ofc.

Bullcrap. Ideologies are the only thing common among them, neighbors are different, and relations to them and how well you adapt using your ideologies are more important for survival. This logically results in different diplomacy sheets at least per region.

Well Was thinking if the different Zoners have different reps to other factions it could be interesting.

Not just interesting, but also fitting/logical.

Are Zoners a generic ID though?

Yes.

Nothing prevents you from RPing it like that.

I mean why would Zoners in Delta have positive reputation with Xenos while Zoners in Kepler need them at last neutral. Or why would Zoners in Taus have friendly/neutral rep with Corsairs?

Pretty much this.

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[moebus]

I know Zoners id is a generic id. Was wondering if they can be classified further.

3 broad classifications come to my mind.

Omnicron Zoners : Residents of Zoner Bases in Omnicrons.
Omega Zoners : Residents of Zoner bases in the Omegas.
Tau Zoners: Residents of Zoner bases in the Taus

Perhaps the residents in Baffin bases can be made into TAZ

What do you think of this ?

Lets discuss.

I think zoners from different areas may have globally different diplomatic relations with factions to reflect the fact that they need to be tolerated by their neighbors, especially when these neighbors are unlawful (outcast-Freeport 10, Corsairs-Freeport 9, etc...).

Nevertheless, I would not push for different IDs (is it the question behind this discussion?) since zoners still share a common way of life (out of House rules) and don't have enemies on a permanent basis (excepted maybe these blue things flying around). As I see it, the reputations of a zoner character with other factions should be reflected by different "levels of neutrality" that can (should?) be repfixed ingame.

Regarding Baffin, I guess the local zoners are all TAZ. I don't think independent zoners live here (some may stay a few days before transiting to a different place).

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[Lythrilux]

Are Zoners a generic ID though?

They are generic because their roleplay is as hard to define as the FL and Miner ID.

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[Lythrilux]

If we split the ID we should also split the IFF for the sake of better base management.

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[gafwmn]

" If it ain't broke don't fix it " seems to come to mind.

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[Thyrzul]

" If it ain't broke don't fix it " seems to come to mind.

Why so?

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[Corile]

Zoner ID is not a generic ID.

(Unless I'm wrong, then someone green update the wiki).

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[Thyrzul]

Zoner ID is not a generic ID.

(Unless I'm wrong, then someone update the wiki).

You are wrong and the wiki is mostly unreliable.

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[Lythrilux]

Well it's confusing actually.

Rule-wise the Zoner ID is not generic.
Roleplay-wise the Zoner ID is generic.

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[Jinx]

It depends on the players mindset and how conservative or open to change this mindset is.

Imagine a freelancer taking BHG missions in Omicron Delta. He is then being caught / spotted by Corsairs who witness him shooting down NPC patrols. They contact him expressing their feelings about this. He does not respond - or worse ... yearns for some pvp and attacks those Corsairs.

Now - the reaction on the forum (if there is any at all) would most probably concern this ONE freelancer. Given that this freelancer is not flying a tag or is known for being affiliated to a player group - the most the official factions might have done is to bounty him or write some manly messages on the forum.

Imagine the same with a similarly untagged, unaffiliated Zoner. A Zoner caught red handed shooting down Corsairs and then attacking the players themselves.

The reaction would likely be quite different. In fact the discussion might quickly become "political" questioning the ideals of Zoners, their strength - and their behaviourism. But most of all - it would drag players into the discussion that had nothing to do with the incident at all.

One has rarely/never(?) seen Corsairs threaten to destroy a freelancer spacestation (not pob) based on the actions of a single player - but there have been multiple threats towards Freeports based on the actions of single - most often unaffiliated players.


So in conclusion - if your mind jumps from "him/her" (individual player) to "them" (faction) as in ... has to take responsibility ... then the faction does not seem to be generic. I do not believe that it is sanctionable to accuse and attempt to drag "all" freelancers into a mess for the actions of one or a few (liberty did it with blanket bounties on mercs and freelancers) - but this blanket bounty was subject of quite a lot of critizism at the time. Meanwhile it is much more common to demand a shutdown of freeport activities based on the actions of one or a few players, often unaffiliated to the station.

But rule-wise .. i think Zoners are NOT generic. There have been multiple suggestions/attempts to split them into regions - or even political factions with their own regional friends and foes. - But none of those suggestions were ever taken even into a trial.

To be snide to the community: Zoners are considered to be generic when it comes to their collective ambition and organization - but non generic when it comes to responsibilities.

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