Bombers vs. VHFs

[SGTMatt]

In a caps defense, if you are fighting bombers and turn off all of your razors and mortars and focus with defense turrets (gotta love the name) you can fend off quite a few bombers in a cap if you know how to manage targets well. Nothing ruins a bomber pilots day more then losing half hull every time they try and fire the almighty SNAC.

There are a few good bomber pilots with rediculous aiming ability with the SNAC, but most of the time they are fodder to fighters who know not to joust them. There is a reason your fighter has all that manuverability. Use it.

-edit- frozen beat me to a lot of this /signed

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[frozen]

well everyone has waited for a long while, a bit more waiting will do you good. alot of stuff (including new factions, ships for the factions, NPC patrols for the factions, systems for the factions, new balancing, etc) is not something that can be done overnight, or in a short space of time, specially when people who are working on the mod are working voluntarily, giving up their free time to help make something they play and enjoy, much better for everyone who plays it.

i know, you lot are at a point where waiting is frustrating, and i understand that, but just a bit more. your 'nearly there' (so to speak:P)

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[Wes_Janson]

Oh, I know that were nearly there, jsut wanted to see what otehr folks thought.

Just gets frusterating when folks exploit the game mechanichs for some semi oorp pwning of you, just becasue they can.

[Orin]

I fully agree with Frozen. I've never lost to a bomber (or even multiple bombers) in a VHF, I've been beaten by VHFs in my bomber, and I'm taken down three bombers at once in my GB.

They're fine.

[Rudo]

i like playing freelancer due to the PVP aspects, not just the RP aspects of this server. and suffice to say, disco wouldnt be where it is if it wasnt for the perfect mix of RP and PVP (even though it is often tipped towards pvp between those who are ignorant of the forums)
Again, freelancer is restricted heavily (even though many barriers have been broken by all the modders working on various mods), and introducing a special bomber only mine means its mountable on anything that has a mine slot. it will be abused heavily, and quite frankly, i honestly dont want to see another rule springing up becuase some idiot decides to mount bomber-only epic mines on a LF and exploit the game.

1-2 with a razor+ supernova isnt easy, and not everyone can do it, becuase yes, it does require a lot of skill to do. but if a fighter falls for that, i call him stupid, because first of all, a fighter shouldnt be jousting a bomber head on anyway, and if (s)he does decide to joust head on, (s)he shouldnt do it shieldless, or without strafing while jousting. there are many techniques to out-maneuver a bomber, only difference is not many people use them.

again, wait for 4.85.

That's why I said it takes skill on the part of the bomber pilot and poor planning on the part of the VHF pilot.

Thing is, if said bomber pilot is good enough it only takes one screwup on the part of the VHF pilot. In a fight between a VHF and a Bomber, the bomber has a lot more room for error. That's my only gripe, it's not a call to tone down the bomber as a platform so much as it is to simply make the bomber's main damage come from ordinance rather than a cannon.

Basically my idea is for bombers to do something crazy, like - oh, I don't know - use bombs.

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[Cosmos]

i only use my tizzies on my bomber too ripp the sheilds down on a fighter, then i SN them, its a goodway too kill people.

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[jpo]

How are bombers good against fighters? the only possible case i could see is the havok and its still less manuverable against fighters.

DO bombers really beat fighters here regularly?
Fighter is the main anti bomber class.

[AceofSpades]

So uh, here comes back the Light Fighter! Ever Snova a Light Fighter? Hah, good luck.

**added poll

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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'

Seriously nerf Junkers.

Shoot to Thrill

[farmerman]

I dunno, I don't think I'm that great of a pilot, and one on one with a fighter vs bomber, it seems the fighter wins. Although certain combinations aren't exactly right as certain bombers seem to turn too fast, etc, in my opinion. With that being balanced though, things are looking to be pretty good.

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[tansytansey]

Light fighters are the bane of Bombers. But most people give them up for more power. Once you can dodge nukes in the Light Fighter there isn't a group of bombers that can beat you. And making stronger mines will make VHFs die as easy as light fighters to bombers.
In my opinion the only reason bombers are so powerful in pvp is because there is a lack of skilled light fighter pilots.

If we must change bombers, I'd suggest using Starlancer as our guide, which would also mean capital ships would have to be changed. Bombers would be much slower and have no anti-fighter weapons, but have a greater range than capital ships, and be able to launch multiple torpedoes at once, and easily kill cruisers. Cruisers would have to be slower and have less turning rate, so it is actually able to hit them at a long range. The torps would be able to be intercepted by fighters gun fire, but flying a capital ship without fighter cover would be suicide. So would flying a bomber without fighter cover, mind you. Of course, one torpedo is enough to kill a fighter if they are stupid enough to fly into one, but torps are too slow to be used as anti-fighter and bombers have a much large explosion radius because of the munitions it carrys onboard, and heavily damage any fighter that gets too close when it blows.

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