Respect in both PvP and RP

[GhostFace]

As for that gang, I am in a city where all that goes down.

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But overall all I can say is sure have your one bonus weapons i.e mini or nuke, but keep your other weapons in RP as in don't get a fully decked out fighter with all codies, mini and nuke, at least get your factions weapons in there. Keep the RP in the PvP. Combine the two to have cooperation RPPVP.

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[Spear]

I don't agree with the a missile load out showing a lack of respect, there are counters to missile players, I know because I am one, I'm not just refering to having a CD mounted either. I have 4 missile launchers on my RC, have had them since before most people even bothered with missiles on fighters on Discovery. Next version should see an improvement for vanilla ships which is great, I fly them too. Missiles have limited ammo on fighters, unlike a CAP which just sits back and spams unlimited missiles at people in a very unskillful manner. Using missiles on fighters effectivley is a skill. Just as using the inferno/SN combo on a bomber is also a skill, there are plenty of players that do this to "own" fighters.

With the rest of the OP, I agree there are many people who show a very immature, impolite attitude to others. Sadly within a game you will have childish people playing, people who love to boast and annoy others, it's a shame, but dont let them grind you down.

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[Asymptotic]

The PvP-whoring isn't the problem, it's a symptom of the problem. I for one mostly go on the server to have some fun killing people, because I'm not going to lie, I can't have fun RPing anymore. So I cleverly disguise it with a little bit of RP, blow some people up, and sign off. I had fun, and had I just sat there typing like an idiot (no offense) then I would not have had fun.

If you want to fix the PvP-whoring, don't restrict it, restore the alternative (RP) to its attractive state, because RP sure as hell isn't fun right now. That's my piece.

[Dab]

I don't agree with the a missile load out showing a lack of respect, there are counters to missile players, I know because I am one

How does a Vanilla fighter that dies to a single missile counter a non-vanilla fighter loaded to the brim with explosives? A single one hits and he dies. It'll take a good 20 to hit the non-vanilla to strip his weapons. All the while dodging or CDing missiles and mines. Thats if the Vanilla fighter even has a CD. If it does, it'll run out of CDs before the opponent runs out of missiles. And CMs/CDs don't alway work. Eventually a missile or nuke mine gets through. I could beat 10 Templars alone in a Ravenclaw if I had 4 missiles and torp and a nuke mine on it.. Its a cheap way to get some kills. Why chose the easy way to pile up the kill messages when you can go with a fair and completely RP setup that will give a challenging and fun experience to both players? Its selfish to use missiles on a ship that doesn't get hurt by them against a ship that dies to just one.

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[Baltar]

@ Spear: I don't have a problem with loadouts so much as I have issue with what they do with them. A good combat fleet would have a variety of weapons for various targets. For example ... missile boats are just as important as gunboats. Individually they each are weak in certain settings. But together they compensate for each other's weaknesses. For example ... missiles turrets on a gunboat are great for fending off fighters and bombers because you don't have the issue of aiming the guns to hit the target. But missiles against other gunboats are useless. So gunboats to deal with other gunboats and better ... but missile boats to deal with fighters. When I see a gunboat that has missile turrets mounted on it ... I typically don't worry much for my safety.

Now ... I mentioned what you do with them. If you're in a battleship with the uber-kill weapons that literally melt the hulls of gunboats without effort ... a bit annoying. Battleships in the hands of a house military ... perfectly acceptable. But in the hands of a hunter or merc ... well ... maybe one ... but not 3-5 battleships or battle cruisers massed together to kill a single pirate gunboat. Overkill at Yanagi Depot ... not cool.

[Baltar]

The PvP-whoring isn't the problem, it's a symptom of the problem. I for one mostly go on the server to have some fun killing people, because I'm not going to lie, I can't have fun RPing anymore. So I cleverly disguise it with a little bit of RP, blow some people up, and sign off. I had fun, and had I just sat there typing like an idiot (no offense) then I would not have had fun.

If you want to fix the PvP-whoring, don't restrict it, restore the alternative (RP) to its attractive state, because RP sure as hell isn't fun right now. That's my piece.

Then stay away from me. I've got an X-Box and X-Box 360 to get my PVP fun in. Don't need it here too. I don't mind attacking me so long as you don't have to completely destroy my ship when I beg for mercy. Yes ... my characters are wimps when they're up against superior odds. If you cannot show restraint when someone surrenders ... then do NOT bother interacting with me.

[BaconSoda]

Just to clarify, I'm not bashing people that use missiles, I'm simply saying that I don't really think that people who overly use missiles as a cheap tool for scoring a blue message. By all means, use missiles, but using two, or three, or four hull busting missiles on a Non-vanilla fighter just reeks of wanting an easy kill.

All I'm saying is that sometimes us people need to remember that there is someone else on the other side of the internet, and we want to have fun, too. All I'm saying is that if you feel a certain way about your RP, expect someone else to feel the same about their RP. All I'm saying is that we all need to respect others, both in loadout, and in practice.

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[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[pchwang]

I could beat 10 Templars alone in a Ravenclaw if I had 4 missiles and torp and a nuke mine on it.. Its a cheap way to get some kills.

For some strange reason, I highly doubt that, so I'm going to assume that it was sarcastic overstatement.:P

But on a more serious note, I do understand what Baconsoda is saying. Essentially, people seem to be forgetting the fact that RP precedes and guides PvP. This is not a PvP server, and frankly, it's not a environment for good PvP.

At the end of the day, it really just comes down to the fact that we here at Discovery are a community. We are an entity, and it is probably the sole reason why its survived through so many trials and tribulations. We cannot forget the fact that we are clan - a family of gamers - here for the experience of the Sirius sector, not so that we can just get a fancy Kill Message from the Console. There are others who don't realize this, and personally, the best thing to do is simply to turn the other cheek and to ignore them.

Whether its poking fun at Dab's ego, or getting owned by him later after calling his bluff, we do it in good faith, not in antagonistic harm. Remember this, live this, and Disco will continue to thrive.

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[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
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[Spear]

@Dab: I agree, the vanilla weakness is annoying, my first fighter here was an Eagle, I have 3 vanilla VHF's atm, and yeah occasionaly I die to a missile salvo or a lucky mine, its annoying, its being fixed, its also very avoidable, how many people here have fought me in an eagle for ages when I am outnumbered and being spammed? Im guessing alot, thats not boasting by the way, just experience. There's many guys here that can do the same in vanilla ships, in fact at the moment its part of the buzz of flying one. It will be better next version. I dont just kill vannila fighters in my RC.

@Baltar: Haha! I knew this day would come! We agree on something! Missile boats are annoying yes, but its a tatic like any other. It forces you to have your own tatics to counter. All load outs and fleet compositions force others to respond in kind.

Whats next? Someone mounts 8 debs on a RC and purely sheild busts then Razr's! Stone him!

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[Dab]

Whether its poking fun at Dab's ego, or getting owned by him later after calling his bluff, we do it in good faith, not in antagonistic harm. Remember this, live this, and Disco will continue to thrive.

It will come true.. I have a Ravenclaw somewhere around here.. Connecticut? Bring a Templar..

It was really based on the fact that the Claw will get a lot of insta-kills. Whatever bots I lose I'll get back as soon as I kill someone. It'll get easier and easier as I take people out. If I didn't get bot resupplies from killed vanilla fighters I wouldn't win. However, thats another part of the unfairness of non-vanilla missile fighters vs vanilla ships. Kill him and you don't just kill him, you also get to repair yourself. Same as with bomber, except its even easier with a missile fighter.

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