New Order/BlackSquadron Role Play Rules

[Skoorb]

Almost afraid to post.....This is all my Opinion, no flames intended.

My earlier post still stands. Your RP is not quite in line with the general overall RP of the NPCs. Missions are offered to fight liberty. I cannot see how you can RP peace with liberty while order ships fight them in alaska as well as omicron minor. Sure they kill lots of our pilots, but we don't care about that. Human life means nothing to us only the nomad threat. It seems kind of wimpy to me to allow Liberty to invade Omicron Minor and you guys not fight back. I don't care how the single player campain ended, you do not ignore people who invade your home and kill your fellow citizens. Your RP seems more like a splinter cell of Order, not quite aligned with NPCs or their general actions, which by all means can and should work great for YOU. My problem is that you are trying to force others to align by your rules, forcing RP on others. RP wise how do you explain all the other Order NPCs that do not follow your edict?

My favorite RP already got killed because someone complained about a smuggling route through Order space being oorp. I always thought that RP was doing a service to the server. I had people telling me they just got their brother/cousin/friend into disco and asked if i could do it with them too.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28278

You guys seem to have a very uncaring attitude. What we say goes, we don't care about the opinions of others.

Sorry, I can't support forcing an RP onto people that is not aligned with IDs or NPC actions. You are also forcing boredom onto most people. Still confused how you can complain about smugglers going through your system. You guys must want less interaction and like the sound of proverbial space crickets chirping. Having less enemies is actually less fun for most people. My first Character was Order, thought it would be fun to play one, but got bored fast. Oh yeah, you play Eve instead. Kinda makes sense. I bet most Bs members spend more time on their other characters as well. Most likely liberty characters.

My opinion. Have fun with your own RP. Leave others who want to RP as the ID and NPCs alone. I do not get why you care so much about how others RP? Let others have their fun unless it is DRASTICALLY against the IDs or game discriptions and therfore NPC actions.

I fully agreed with the earlier sanctions, forcing RP on anyone who follows the ID and NPC actions should not be allowed. Asking others who agree with your RP and ideals to join your faction seems more right to me. Do not interact or invite those who are not aligned with your ideals.

My Order character invaded Manhatten on occasion screaming "Until you stop openly invading our system you cannot expect the Order to sit idley by and not respond." Oh, but wait, Bs demands us to do so. Ok, lets find another less wimpy faction.

Yet another example of proper RP restricting. The fact that you got admin backing for this makes me dislike it even more, and wonder what is going on with the admins. My opinion is admins should back out of this. You seem to be saying we agree with forcing others to RP the way we like even if it is against the NPC and ID way. By doing that aren't you forcing players to go against the IDs and descriptions or get sanctioned. Headscratcher there. Isn't that the opposite of what is suppose to be going on? Bad idea.....

p.s. (bad form deleting other's posts cus they did not align with your ideals....you better delete this one too then)
EDIT: my apologies, just realised you made this a new thread.

What is with all the RP restricting as of late? This seems a new ugly developement to the disco server, I don't remember it this bad 6 months to a year ago (when i developed all my RPs). Because some don't play the way we want .......restrict them all.......

The only thing it seems I can do is, well, not play. Any RP I develope is likely to be bemoaned by someone.

[Unseelie]

I've a question and a point:

Question first: What, exactly, changed?

Point: If the Bs| is an elite force led by Johnathan Pryde, and has the right to be exempt from orders from any other member of the order...What's to say that any indie group, or single indie, might not be an 'elite force', also exempt from any orders? I can easily make the argument that any player is an 'elite' pilot.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Again, Bs| got sanctioned recently for doing exactly what Wolfpack is doing now. Doing the same is fixing this how?

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[Bluntage]

What happened to all the good posts? Didn't need to delete them all.

Bottom line is there's room for the Bs and room for Indys to play the Order as hardcoded. Let's just all enjoy the game. As I bore witness to last night there are two sides of this. Those who want to rp vs other players and those who want to rp vs npc nomads (mainly). What's fun for you (Bs) may not be fun for other people. This is after all a video game. Again I suggest we have a separate group of left wing Order that will take to more extreme methods for the Order cause. Perhaps the "OE" or Order Extreme? We can agree in some matters and not in others. Order vs Order is something that doesn't and shouldn't need to happen though. I think the best thing we can all do is just take a stand of mutual respect for each others rp choices.

BigFatty

[Unseelie]

Before anyone else just assumes that all the posts here were deleted, Let me introduce the concept of a split topic. Often, when there are two discussions, or a horrible divergence, the moderating party may remove a great many of the posts, and move them to another thread.

The 'Good posts' are Here.

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[Jinx]

i m missing some very basic ideas on which to judge that proposition....

mostly .... :

what exactly IS the order "canon" roleplay? - can we clear that up? - cause without knowing what the order is really supposed to do and how to act - its hard to make judgement about ooRP.

if people act according to this omnious "canon" RP - should / can we influence them to do something else?

how complex has RP to be to be acknoledged as "RP". ( referring to forum stories, ingame chatter, group chatter, PMs, local chatter etc. )

is there really a "problem"? make up your mind... is there REALLY a problem? or is it all much ado about nothing.

finally - the benefits from the reforms outweigh the dangers that come from it? - make up your mind ...




in general.

you are creating a rift. - you are creating an "us" and "them" - that is a difficult and dangerous situation. - instead of dealing with a heterogenous community, - or at least you create two sides where there might have been a lot more points of view before.

the problem with simplifying things like that is that you get a whole lot more resistance. - now you created "order independends" - before, some of those so called "independent" order players felt like being a PART of the order, they fit into the structure that the Bs| may or may not have offered. - now they don t anymore ... now they are clearly "independent" and on the other side of the fence.

if it is a serious council - try to figure out what percentage the Bs actually make up out of the whole active order community.

maybe it turns out that there are 10 Bs - but 90 independent and very active order players. that would mean that 90% of the order players are not Bs. should a council not then consist of 1 orderplayer and 9 independent players?

if you now say "you deserve" to have more voting power. - you d have to answer to.... "how do you deserve it - what deed did you do to "deserve" anything?" ( that is no critizism - that is just something you gotto ask yourself )

when the power of a faction lies in the ability to "force" their views onto others - it is the right of others to "force" their view onto the faction, too - if they prove to be more powerful. - but such an archaic image of a "voting community" wouldn t do disco much good.

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[Niezck]

"The following goes for *ALL* Order members"

"These orders only apply to BlackSquadron members, and Order pilots who choose to abide by our terms."

Que?

[Linkus]

Remove:

The following goes for *ALL* Order members

The Order Command Council has explicit command over all order members.. independent or not.

Failure to abide by Command Council orders will result in immediate sanctions authorized by the Command Council.

This is the ruling party of the Order, and we expect members of the order to follow our orders to the letter.

Don't like it? Get out.

only the Command Council members can give orders to *ALL* order pilots.

Add:

The council will only issue orders to the Bs| and any independants wishing to follow their rule. Other independants are not to be harrassed or attacked if they do not follow our form of RP.

And then you will have a proper proposal.

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[MB52]

I have to say I agree with Jinx here, in that we need the order to be properly defined, as to what they do and who they are.

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I’ll carry this flag
To the grave if I must
Because it’s flag that I love
And a flag that I trust

[Eternal]

Sounds ... intersting. Well , I like visiting Liberty with my Osiris. Is that a problem ?


Also , I'm realy interested in how exactly was the number "2" in 2 Commanders from Bs| and 2 independant desided ? It seems to be a bit strange in my opinion.

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