Who gets the money?

[Kalhmera]

Libgov is made up of every lawful official faction 1 and 2 ic in Liberty and the money is accounted for by an internal system and one 1 person that was elected by us has access to the accounts and that person keeps us updated monthly with where the money is going and how much we have left. I'm sorry to say but that Information is not public and that's all I can say on the matter unless the elected person wishes to speak publicly about it. Which i doubt.

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[Bannorn]

It seems like a bit of a rort, If Liberty, say, wants 1.5billion for a POB licence, there is no way of telling who gets it.
Real governments DO tell the public what is spent on education, hospitals etc. There is absolutely no honesty nor integrity in taking 1.5billion credits and not telling where that went. Behind the scenes players get the credits. Who and how much and why?

Well, personally I think the 1.5b thing was a touch nuts, but each government determines those costs in their own way, with their own votes. The governments decide - in this case, the fee is set and received by Liberty Govt, which uses it as decided by them. Not being a member of the Libgovt I cannot say for certain the exact breakdown of costs and use, but one of the uses for it that is well known is paying out the Liberty Bounty Board. In Rheinland, for example, base fees are largely used to pay for new requests and to equip new shared ships for the law enforcement agencies and so on. Again, each House has their own way of doing it - I believe, and Libgovt members correct me here if I am wrong, but Libgovt has an appointed treasurer that handles it.

As to who is part of that process: the Official Factions. Most House governments are made up of the 1ic/2ic(s) of the Official Lawful factions, and vote on matters accordingly. For Liberty, that's the Liberty lawful OFs: IC, Ageira, USI, LPI, 5th, LN, etc. Their internal interactions both in and out of RP are usually regulated by a set of rules they set themselves for the governance of the House. That governance is then carried out by means of the House Laws.

If your complaint is that its a large sum, well to be honest then don't build a base there - you're not guaranteed the right to do so at any point, look at houses with more easy-going laws, or a payment system that suits your needs. For example, Bretonia offers exemptions on licencing fees, while Rheinland traditionally takes the view of "low start up cost, high fines". Again, each House does things their own way.

Personally I always thought that Liberty's demand for 1.5b in base registrations is excessive, hence why I have not personally built any bases there... at least legally. It is however their right to set those prices, and they will have had their reasons for setting it so high - again, I cannot attest to internals of Libgovt, not being a part of it, but I can say that there are a number of reasons to do so: to lighten the load on law enforcements, or to make it easier/harder to siege new bases, to discourage/encourage people to build bases, yada yada yada.

All that aside: why do you need to know? If you were to ask your real life government what exactly they are doing with your money they'd tell you to go hang or go look at the budget, which itself is never a full statement of where money is sourced nor where exactly it is going. Also, have you tried? Comm the libgovt, you never know they might be more liberal than we thought!

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[08.07.2019 03:20:17] =CR=Zulu: Situations like these makes me wish they left me behind in Crayter.

[Inferno]

the lore of costs and fines and whatnot goes towards standard government things. Paying LPI, since they're a corp, general projects, terraforming, house defense, welfares, and so on. The stuff you expect a government to do. As for electing and decisionmaking, assume it's your classic federal republic that the US is doing. Or not, I actually don't know how it works, I'm paid to make sure it doesn't stop existing. To do what you are asking and making a checkbook for a multi-system supergovernment is to ask us to assemble an aircraft turbine engine with a couple of forks and a polished dinner plate, or something absurdly unreasonable to ask of something.


out of lore, the infinite supply of credits thrown at the LibGov account goes to funding the bounty board as well as the respective factions that can't exactly 'make money' playing as themselves. Aka, defense factions
The faction leaders of the (lawful) Liberty factions as well as their secondary leaders make up LibGov, and we vote in a democratic method, even though that sometimes is an annoyance. That's what gives us laws n stuff.
I don't know what the factions that do get paid do with their credits, but I know for a fact that it goes to equipment and, soon, my members as activity rewards, at least for my own faction.

also the 1.5 bil is better long run if you're an ore spot or something since it bypasses any monthly costs that you had to deal with

[R.I.P.]

Have to say imo, these license fees etc are just another thing that leads to the cause of this server being so dead. One of many things that cause it.

[Egon Bigmemes]

Personally I always thought that Liberty's demand for 1.5b in base registrations is excessive, hence why I have not personally built any bases there... at least legally. It is however their right to set those prices, and they will have had their reasons for setting it so high - again, I cannot attest to internals of Libgovt, not being a part of it, but I can say that there are a number of reasons to do so: to lighten the load on law enforcements, or to make it easier/harder to siege new bases, to discourage/encourage people to build bases, yada yada yada.

you basically said it yourself. it's damn near impossible to siege legal bases in Liberty, and you have a fleet you can batphone if it happens. not only that, liberty is a high volume traffic area (or at least was lol) which, if you advertise your base that might manufacture or sell something, will make back that 1.5 billion incredibly fast

real estate is expensive in real life, and when Liberty is the most active house, it has the most expensive real estate

alternatively, just build a base on the border systems

[Ice Princess]

The 1 bil fee is a one-time payment. You pay it once and you will never have to pay again for your PoB. That's the reason for it being that high.

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[Kalhmera]

Have to say imo, these license fees etc are just another thing that leads to the cause of this server being so dead. One of many things that cause it.

That's a crappy opinion and you literally dont need to pay 1 bil. If you bothered to open up our government channel you would realize we have payment options that are far cheaper and affordable. It's the customers choice. Sir.

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[R.I.P.]

Have to say imo, these license fees etc are just another thing that leads to the cause of this server being so dead. One of many things that cause it.

That's a crappy opinion and you literally dont need to pay 1 bil. If you bothered to open up our government channel you would realize we have payment options that are far cheaper and affordable. It's the customers choice. Sir.

I built a base years ago that still stands, i am not speaking for myself. I am saying it is just another deterrent for newer players, not that this place really has very many these days. (I also think this forum was another problem, too much on here and not enough in game)

(also would never waste my time building another base yet alone in Liberty. I hate Liberty government)

[LaWey]

With all piety to new players, fact that they are new, dont mean they shouldnt integrate in RP environment, and i'm either fail to see how indeed it deterrent them.

If player want build base just to see how this work, he always can just set pob without nothing. its very cheap, give 30k place and live without maintenance for 20+ days

If he want his small pretty hangar for ship, he always can hide it in borderworlds.

If he want build his real estate, he should consider that this tamagochi require his responsibilty inRP as well.

Those fees just natural players reaction on imbalanced PoB's economy. Setting of PoB is absolutelly free, and in same time terrible unhandy, if only you don't have warehouse of parts already. Maintenance and building of stuff are terrible unbalanced, because pushes players on unconvient routes, far from main traffic, and require absolutely mad amounts of resources. And in same fucking time, those resources cost nothing, so this thing dont work as money synk, and cant create meaningful pirate interaction.

So we have free to set PoB's which can create interactions only if it serve as local hub (what happens with 1 base per system/region); during building of something spread trading, and even when not, its not lucrative. In same time PoBs is only way how make ore economy, which only left alive here, work reliably. On this background, actions of player-driven govts, which force builders to consider business plan of their future base - is very smart move.

And, on final note. Whoever gets those credits, they make sure that base will safe as far its license valid. And in-game we have battleships gameplay, but no hospital or school one. Think about it.

[R.I.P.]

I am just saying 1.5 billion or monthly fees on top of working to build and maintain a base is just too much for anyone with an actual life outside of discovery. Some people only get maybe an hour or two a night cause they have work, school, and maybe socialize with real folks. I have built a base in the past with 3 other players, back then i admit i had no life. Outside of house space hardly anyone can build a base unless they get lucky and hide it, always has been and will be those who hate POBs and will destroy them every time they can. Just seems to me this mod has gotten to the point where it becomes no fun for most people, which is why it is what it is now.