Junker/Gallia Connection

[aeris]

First off, it seems to me that while the Junkers may have started off at Gallic spies, they've evolved into something different. While there are certainly still Gallic spies among the Junkers, I would hazard a guess that the majority of them had no idea and no connection to Gallia. Am I correct?

You might think of present day groups like the gypsies or the French Foreign Legion when considering what the Junkers are a combination of. You have a group that pretty much keep to themselves and are fiercely loyal only to their own, while they are also very tolerant in welcoming outsiders to their group if their ethics work according to the Junker ideals.

I can't dare to say "majority" but yes, there are many Junkers not having any connection to Gallia. The Junkers Congress is the largest Junker faction and their ethics and ideals can be seen as the de facto Junker policy, but still many independent Junkers' have a vision conflicting with that of .:j:., sometimes leading to verbal warfare.

At the same time, I've seen Junker characters completely ignoring what's around them, Junkers accusing .:j:. not being true Junkers, and .:j:. accusing other Junkers not being true Junkers. At the same time I've seen characters belonging to other factions dividing Junkers to "real Junkers" they're allied with, and "imposters" they engage at will.

The Gallic spy idea is very new, and it's interesting to see how big a gap will this situation tear among the Junkers, or will their main ethics of always protecting other Junkers surpass such political dilemmas.

How widely the spy aspect is known to outsiders I cannot answer, but clearly many Junkers not having Junker ancestry would not know the whole story, or how to relate to it. The same goes to many more outsider characters, who might have only a vague knowledge of any Gallia and little to do with Junkers.

In short, the existence of Gallia doesn't really change anything Junker-wise, to most of Sirius Junkers still are just a strange bunch of scrap collectors with possible dirty dealings everyone only hears rumors of.

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong and I'll edit respectively.

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[Rudo]

You might think of present day groups like the gypsies or the French Foreign Legion when considering what the Junkers are a combination of. You have a group that pretty much keep to themselves and are fiercely loyal only to their own, while they are also very tolerant in welcoming outsiders to their group if their ethics work according to the Junker ideals.

I can't dare to say "majority" but yes, there are many Junkers not having any connection to Gallia. The Junkers Congress is the largest Junker faction and their ethics and ideals can be seen as the de facto Junker policy, but still many independent Junkers' have a vision conflicting with that of .:j:., sometimes leading to verbal warfare.

At the same time, I've seen Junker characters completely ignoring what's around them, Junkers accusing .:j:. not being true Junkers, and .:j:. accusing other Junkers not being true Junkers. At the same time I've seen characters belonging to other factions dividing Junkers to "real Junkers" they're allied with, and "imposters" they engage at will.

The Gallic spy idea is very new, and it's interesting to see how big a gap will this situation tear among the Junkers, or will their main ethics of always protecting other Junkers surpass such political dilemmas.

How widely the spy aspect is known to outsiders I cannot answer, but clearly many Junkers not having Junker ancestry would not know the whole story, or how to relate to it. The same goes to many more outsider characters, who might have only a vague knowledge of any Gallia and little to do with Junkers.

In short, the existence of Gallia doesn't really change anything Junker-wise, to most of Sirius Junkers still are just a strange bunch of scrap collectors with possible dirty dealings everyone only hears rumors of.

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong and I'll edit respectively.

In my mind, a true Junker doesn't fly an Advanced Train and cry immunity when he comes under threat by pirates. Pretty much the only 'false Junker' statement I've ever committed to, but I'll stand by that statement. We've been criticized in the past for our IND-esque convoys, which have thankfully scaled back a bit. We took a lot of flak for those.

I'm interested to see how this whole espionage plot pans out myself. It's a big twist I wasn't expecting -- but the Congress is more or less a big espionage network anyway so things will mesh.

Whether the Congress is the Gallic spy network remains to be seen, though. We still gotta hammer that out. :P

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[Ash]

First off, it seems to me that while the Junkers may have started off at Gallic spies, they've evolved into something different. While there are certainly still Gallic spies among the Junkers, I would hazard a guess that the majority of them had no idea and no connection to Gallia. Am I correct?

Not exactly, in Gallia the Junkers are treated quite well as high society and can be traced all the way back to New Paris. But i'm sure all this was due to their value whilst being spies amongst the sirius houses. High ranking members of the sirius junkers would most probably known of their routes but it would have been kept top secret.

Secondly, which side were the Gallic-loyalist Junkers on?

Most probably the Royalist side, but personal opinions amongst their lower ranks may be withheld.

How does the GRN feel about Junkers in Gallia (assuming repfixing was done, but from an RP point of view)? How about the Council? Other notable Gallic factions?

I think they see them as useful group that has run it's course. They will have been of great importance to the Royalists in terms of intelligence but now Gallia has been discovered i think that bond will slip and weaken as their usefulness decreases.

How much does the rest of Sirius know about the Junker/Gallia connection? It seems to me that they're pretty much in the dark about it at the moment, is that correct? I haven't seen any news or rumors announcing it to the world, but I haven't looked very closely (or on Junker bases).

Little, only rumors if any.

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[Tenacity]

Junkers are allied with 'the crown' - i.e. the lawfuls of gallia. They were providing stolen technology (namely cruise engines, trade lanes, jump gates, etc.) to gallic corporations.

The council isnt openly hostile to the junkers, but I take a stance of not allowing any junker ships to land on council bases. Unione Corse, The Maquis, and the Gallic Brigands would all be hostile to the junkers.

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[Guest]

Junkers and The Council are enemies to each other, since the Junkers were established as agents of the Gallic Royal House. The coded reputations reflect this. Junkers have no business landing on Council or Maquis bases any more than they do landing on Kusari bases. While certain Junkers might sympathize with The Council, The Council will not trust them due to that historical relationship. Maquis and Junkers are not outright hostile, but your reputation with Maquis improves by killing Junkers.

With the bolded statement, Junkers should be dealt with concerning on-the-spot situations instead of predetermined hostility. Kind of like Smugglers to Lawful Factions.

Junkers directly aiding GR would be considered hostile, of course.
Otherwise they cant be much different than Civillians. I really doubt a spy operation would consist of the ENTIRE Junker Population of Sirius.

[Tenacity]

With the bolded statement, Junkers should be dealt with concerning on-the-spot situations instead of predetermined hostility. Kind of like Smugglers to Lawful Factions.

Junkers directly aiding GR would be considered hostile, of course.
Otherwise they cant be much different than Civillians. I really doubt a spy operation would consist of the ENTIRE Junker Population of Sirius.

The relation between Junkers and the GRN is not the same as freelancers or smugglers occasionally helping out a government. ALL junkers in gallia during the past 700~ years have been aiding the government as spies and information-gatherers from Sirius, and the gallic government has treated them very well because of it.

Right now, junkers are the king's lapdogs, and everyone in gallia knows it. While it's possible that some junkers who are newcomers to gallic space sympathize with the council, the council doesnt recognize it due to past prejudice.

Council considers all junkers hostile/unfriendly, but as I said before - my council character doesnt attack them openly, I just prevent them from landing on any council bases.

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[Benjamin]

Unione Corse, The Maquis, and the Gallic Brigands would all be hostile to the junkers.

What.

Junkers are still junkers. The gallia jumphole is not some clark kent telephone booth that turns them in to the establishment. From what I've read, junkers are getting up to similar business in gallia as everywhere else, and only the maquis really attack them.

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[Rudo]

What.

Junkers are still junkers. The gallia jumphole is not some clark kent telephone booth that turns them in to the establishment. From what I've read, junkers are getting up to similar business in gallia as everywhere else, and only the maquis really attack them.

The Junkers in Gallia have been in Gallia for hundreds of years. They're mostly seperated from Junkers from elsewhere in Sirius.

Gallic Junkers are much akin to the Hogosha in Kusari. There are differences, but that's the gist of it. You can be subtle about it and talk your way out of things, you can denounce the crown and so on -- but be aware that tradelanes lead right to Junker bases. In Gallia, Junkers actually are part of the establishment.

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[Drake]

The Gallic Junkers really should have their own ID, if not tag, because they are far different than regular Junkers.

[Tenacity]

The Gallic Junkers really should have their own ID, if not tag, because they are far different than regular Junkers.

Not really, they steal or scavenge technology, and sell it to whoever will give them the most power or credits in return. In this case, the gallic king was the highest bidder.

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