Sprague and it's population

[Shiki]

Markam I understand refugee problem, there are just much less fishy ways to execute it. Player RP around the place is very nice. But making progress that other houses make for a century long periods of time in a decade is mary sue play, but house.

Yberg, you produce modular housing for billions of people, along with spaceports, hospitals, roads, means to produce its own energy, and basic good. Because shipping everything through space is likely not possible, and redicilously expensive and so on. Not like most of refugees can pay up. I understand if bretonia had peaceful decade where she could invest into something like this. But even then billions is super realistic.

I dont know why Bretonia is hosting all those refugees locally. Could use a part for colonization projects and force the others into the other houses. Its just expensive upkeep for the government that brings nothing. Internal refugees are never good for economy or social stability.

As for cambridge, well, then either New London and other houses or play a nice civil conflict between refugees and local elite. Could be more interesting.

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[Erremnart]

I'm not sure if it makes sense for Bretonia to resettle such a large population on that inhospitable planet. After all, Bretonia is after exhausting war with Gallia and even basic care for billions of people could send nation's budget spiralling out of control, let alone taking care of refugees, restoring industry and colonizing Sprague all at once.

Restoring war torn nation is very expensive project and RP should strongly reflect that. Things like increasing poverty nation-wide, rising crime and dissent, or economy collapse tied with deactivating several capital ships due to budget restraints could bring interesting roleplay situations, including venturing out of nation bubble, and seeking help and investments Sirius-wide.

I suggest inspiring by inRL Great Britain Empire, which fought and won two terrible wars, but it was always at the great cost.

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[Cameron]

Could treat the 3 billion figure as the "official" number of people sent there with the actual one being considerably lower due to a combination of factors. One can imagine having that many people transfered there that quickly makes it difficult to keep track of them properly, many could have died or left for greener pastures, many might not have even arived in the first place. A lot can happen behind the fog of war, especially if people put some effort into hiding it.

[Hubjump]

I'm not sure if it makes sense for Bretonia to resettle such a large population on that inhospitable planet. After all, Bretonia is after exhausting war with Gallia and even basic care for billions of people could send nation's budget spiralling out of control, let alone taking care of refugees, restoring industry and colonizing Sprague all at once.

Restoring war torn nation is very expensive project and RP should strongly reflect that. Things like increasing poverty nation-wide, rising crime and dissent, or economy collapse tied with deactivating several capital ships due to budget restraints could bring interesting roleplay situations, including venturing out of nation bubble, and seeking help and investments Sirius-wide.

I suggest inspiring by inRL Great Britain Empire, which fought and won two terrible wars, but it was always at the great cost.

You underestimate the absurd pockets of gold rich Bretonia.
Her infrastructure is what's exhausted, not her pockets. God that makes me sound like such a tool.

Markam I understand refugee problem, there are just much less fishy ways to execute it. Player RP around the place is very nice. But making progress that other houses make for a century long periods of time in a decade is mary sue play, but house.

This is the fault of the previous Devs over the past decade for having the story progress at a deceased snails pace to suddenly rocket along. The details of things like this were essentially raped when concerning the greater story. It could have made more sense but not enough time was spent filling out ideas such as the population problem in the past. There would definitely be more stations and possibly Freeports popping up in space too but I can't help feeling you want to jettison these people else where just to weaken Bretonia even more out of bias. What I look forward to is what BAF is going to do with all its veterans who can't fit into society once all the fighting is over. That's a much more real problem considering the history and drafting laws and that took place when London was besieged.

And civil wars aren't really working and never have. I'd personally like to avoid them from here on.

I want to make some small suggestions:
A station(s) akin to that of Themes outpost outside of Sprague and Gran Canaria.
A more clear and efficient way to connect Exeter closer to Newlondon. I'm not sure how for this one, I guess just complete the gates and lanes connected with Pool and bring those closer. or even shift Cambridge a little to make the lane smaller. but as it stands cruising through Dublin is the fastest way. Or have a gate begin construction in Dublin.
Reconnect Newcastle in a better way. Possibly with a gate to Manchester. Again, to alleviate the use of Jumpholes by lawfuls.
Our house is split up and doesn't feel like a house right now. Even Leeds could do with some repaired infrastructure. It's not like the Enclave are going to come out with Valors anymore lore wise.
And my final suggestion. A gigantic station outside Planet Leeds like that of Waterloo or the domes of a Freeport to again facilitate the population problem. Civilian stations.

Liberty corporations can have more leverage in the ownership of such stations.

A little more daydreaming has me once again long for Molly activity, The unlawfuls of Bretonia could get larger and recruit more as more impoverished people would turn to crime.

Another edit here.
The jumphole connections of Dublin could be diverted to the undeveloped Lambda quadrant to encourage the use of lanes more to get to these far territories.
And the Lambda quadrant its self (That hollow area in the bottom left of the map) could fit a few systems for the Enclave to expand into and have conflicts in with other unlawfuls since they them selves are roughly OC/Sair strength and that would alleviate pressure off the Sairs for them to maybe have a reason to exist again.

Edit: Oh lawdy here we go. So all of this should have been done over the last 10 odd years. But wasn't. Because stagnation. It sounds Mary sue I won't lie but that to me is mainly because the story has gone from 10% to 200% in the last year and a half getting on for two.

[Traxit]

Arguably Harris would've been a more fit candidate, considering it has been in the process of terraforming for centuries - wouldn't be a stretch to say that Bretonia preemptively built infrastructure for future denizens.

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[Erremnart]

Well, from economical standpoint - Bretonia lost two planets Leeds. I'll explain why.

First planet Leeds was glassed, and it fed Bretonia's peacetime economy growth. "Second" Leeds is actual missing developed industrial output required for building another Leeds-sized industrial powerhouse.
In my theories I'm well aware about mineral riches, but they are useless without industrial base. Yes, you can sell them, but their value will be significantly lower than you are used to, as you need to sell them in bulk (which decreases unit cost, as demand will go down) and you sell them raw (as you don't have infrastructure to refine them en masse).

All this concludes to Nation which should be at its knees, and catching its breath. By destroying planet like Leeds Bretonia's GDP was sent back like 100 years, probably more.

EDIT: I'll correct myself. Mineral riches are not useless, but they won't do wonders either. Bretonia will need to sell them, but clever foreign businessmen will push prices down, as their demand has more leverage than Bretonia's supply (Bretonia needs money more than them).

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[Thunderer]

I don't think that Harris is very habitable yet. Cambridge should have taken most of them. The purpose of Cambridge was to be a breadbasket for Leeds, hence there were population limitation laws in place which prevented cities from being built on farmland soil. However, with the loss of Leeds, I don't think these were really necessary and refugees could have been moved there rather than to Sprague.

Though I might be underestimating the BMM's capacity to exploit the working class.

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[Y'berg]

Yberg, you produce modular housing for billions of people, along with spaceports, hospitals, roads, means to produce its own energy, and basic good. Because shipping everything through space is likely not possible, and redicilously expensive and so on. Not like most of refugees can pay up. I understand if bretonia had peaceful decade where she could invest into something like this. But even then billions is super realistic.

I dont know why Bretonia is hosting all those refugees locally. Could use a part for colonization projects and force the others into the other houses. Its just expensive upkeep for the government that brings nothing. Internal refugees are never good for economy or social stability.

As for cambridge, well, then either New London and other houses or play a nice civil conflict between refugees and local elite. Could be more interesting.

Social welfare exists, y'know. There are countries who take care of their own, and so are people with great jury rigging skills. Like: power can be easily provided by solar panels (desert world) or repurposed ship reactors, not to mention said ships breaken down can make extra housing. Even current day technologies are avaliable, container houses, and concrete printing are extremely cheap. Concrete isn't something hard to make either.

People have a pretty shit existence there probably, but considering Leeds' average lifespan was 50-something, I'd call it an improvement

[Shiki]

@Y'berg
Welfare? Uh. There are ~ 25 billion Bretonians, ~20 that are not refugees, and about 5 billion who are. Best of luck putting every 5th citizen on welfare when your industry is ruined. Even if so you want to house them close at the planet with actual infrastructure to keep it LESS expensive, as opposed to dropping them to die in desert with extreme temperatures and then attempt to ship all needed stuff to them using space transports. It just doesn't make any economic sense.

Then again you bring Earth example of a container house, with logistics already being here. I think it's possible to house them all, just on planets that already have something on them ready to accept billions of people.

On Cambridge, they could actually work to make food for themselves. The government could lease some fertile lands so refugees are more self-sufficient. Industrial people could go to Rheinland to offer themselves cheaper than local workers, causing more revolts in Rheinland.

@Traxit
Harris is the topic for another thread, but it's not even finished terraforming yet.

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[Y'berg]

@Shiki Temperature does not drop to -70 degrees every night. At least not on planets that have atmosphere. Look for the sahara for example: it's hot as hell at day, and cold at night, although way north of -70 degrees.
Welfare is more like "you got a matress, a roof over your head. You get food on ticket" et cetera et cetera. And in this case, I did not built the container house logic around land-based vehicles, though arguably that would be hard, but not impossible. I'd rather have used some sort of hover platform that can also act as a crane, hell larger ports probably got something similar on most House planets. So all in all, it should be probable to house that many people. Would it be comfortable? No.

Edit: Also, a population that large would make the practical invasion of a planet nigh impossible, given bretonian enemies at the region have a far smaller number COMBINED