The Independent Army of the Tau's

[Hawkwings]

Won't this end up being you guys fighting Kusari all the time, and almost never fighting Bretonia, since Kusari currently controls most of Tau space?

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[Doom]

Kusari controls parts of Tau 31...while Bretonians still have part of tau 23...and bretonians do have much bigger player presence there...
if this ever comes to life it will lead to interesting situations, to say the least...

[JovialKnight]

what bases you would use for deploying your ships?....

you say you are friendly to unlawfulls in bretonia and Kusari....well unlawful in Bretonia are corsairs, gaians etc, in Kusari outcasts, GC, BD etc.

So if you are friendly to them, how can you protect civilians in Taus when most of the unlawfuls in bretonia and kusari are also hostile to some others that fly around Taus?

Not to mention that relations between factions in Taus are so complicated right now...

Don't the zoners have that sort of deal going on too? They do have their own bases however...

As for freeing the taus of both Kusari and Bretonia, seems a bit of a mountain. With both sides putting almost all their war materials into that area, how would a bunch of mis-fits combat it? The two houses went to war over the taus (as far as I know), why would they stop because some folks said "go away"?

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[DearMatthew]

Good question!
And we'd use the two Freeports in the region. And, the reason we're friendly to those factions are that would are capable to cause distress in the heartland Bretonia and Kursari, something we can't do because we're restricted to the Tau's. They aren't really considered a threat because they are to far away. Outcast are the only problem I see concerning your question. But it's hard enough to fight two houses let alone three.

As for the IMG providing us ships. To my knowledge from post, they're under pressure from Bretonia because of CR. CR is mad because of Bretonia. That conflict is over the Taus, so if you have a sovereign nation claim it. That problem should dissipate because you can't blame the CR or IMG for that. The only issue I see is that Bretonian and Kursari officials won't approve.

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[Doom]

Don't the zoners have that sort of deal going on too? They do have their own bases however...

but zoners don't go around and fight/fine people for various stuff...let alone to declare war to two major houses who are in war with each other...

[pbrione]

I'm not quite sure I follow you - you want to create a Tau Republic that would place all the people in Tau 31, 23 and 29 under your sovereignty - but the whole point of most of the people in Tau like the IMG there is that they don't want to be under anyone's sovereignty, they want to remain outside of House space, whilst you seem to be advocating the creation of a new House, a "Tau Republic" as you call it. The Bretonian and Kusari citizens who make up a large part of Tau's population would hate this, the IMG would dislike it for the reasons I just outlined, outcasts would be non-too pleased as they want to be free to pirate and act unlawfully and dont' want lawful rule in Tau, Zoners would dislike it as they too want to be free of House space, and the CR would hate it because they are aiming for a sovereign nation in the Taus ruled by themselves.

I just don't see how you could expect to gain the support of enough of the people living in Tau (very few of whom are "independent" of either Outcasts, Bretonia, Kusari, Zoner, IMG or CR) in order to form a viable nation.

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[Quorg]

Actually, I have a character who might fit very well in this faction.

Just, as people have been saying, expect some degree of opposition from the IMG.

Anyways, where does one go about buying a generic military ID these days?

Also, PLEASE PLEASE fix the spelling of "Independent" in the title. It's kind of a pet peeve.

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[DearMatthew]

Don't the zoners have that sort of deal going on too? They do have their own bases however...

As for freeing the taus of both Kusari and Bretonia, seems a bit of a mountain. With both sides putting almost all their war materials into that area, how would a bunch of mis-fits combat it? The two houses went to war over the taus (as far as I know), why would they stop because some folks said "go away"?

Well, true. But, needless to say both Bretonia and Kursari will now be going up against two opponents to make it even tougher. I mean a major part of our RP is supporting the unlawful groups on each side to get the civilians in those houses demanding withdrawal. I mean it would come down to what's more important, my capital or the Tau's? At least that's what I'm aiming for.

And it's not like we won't fight them...? We'll try our hardest.:P

I'm not quite sure I follow you - you want to create a Tau Republic that would place all the people in Tau 31, 23 and 29 under your sovereignty - but the whole point of most of the people in Tau like the IMG there is that they don't want to be under anyone's sovereignty, they want to remain outside of House space, whilst you seem to be advocating the creation of a new House, a "Tau Republic" as you call it. The Bretonian and Kusari citizens who make up a large part of Tau's population would hate this, the IMG would dislike it for the reasons I just outlined, outcasts would be non-too pleased as they want to be free to pirate and act unlawfully and dont' want lawful rule in Tau, Zoners would dislike it as they too want to be free of House space, and the CR would hate it because they are aiming for a sovereign nation in the Taus ruled by themselves.

I just don't see how you could expect to gain the support of enough of the people living in Tau (very few of whom are "independent" of either Outcasts, Bretonia, Kusari, Zoner, IMG or CR) in order to form a viable nation.

It's not like we're going to act like other houses. There will be no contraband, we won't get in the way of their operations. Nothing. All that will be different is that there wouldn't be any Bretonia or Kursari (ideally) in the Tau's. Maybe see us every so often patrolling. We want the safety of people in the Tau's.
The player base would be

->Ex- Bretonian / Kursari Navy Personnel
->Idealist
->Traders (who may have been effected by the war)
->Miners (who may have been effected by the war)
->Pirates / Smugglers Volunteering for the cause

Explanation: Why would a pirate/smuggler want to volunteer for the IA?
1) Smuggler: In the Tau Republic, there would be no contraband, it would be a completely free society. Essentially a safe haven of sorts.
2) Pirate: Perhaps he has a buff with either navies, or wants to change his lifestyle. I don't have a great answer for this one but I felt it was decent RP.

Pirate RP: He leaves his old life of piracy to pursue a lawful career. He doesn't exactly love any of the original houses. I mean we are friendly with unlawful Bretonian and Kursari agents.

As far as IMG not really liking it. I wouldn't want that in the slightest. I think it would make things easier for them considering that Bretonia is getting desperate at this stage. They can't blame the IMG if these "radicals" swarmed Tau's suddenly. The IMG is a company, and we would promote their business and exploration of the Tau's.

I don't see why people in Bretonia or Kursari wouldn't like it? I mean, each side has lost tremendous amounts of people. If we took over the Tau's, that's it. We're not looking for territory. We would engage in free trade with both nations. Our problem with them is only in the Tau's.

If the CR were looking for a sovereign nation that would be a wrench in my proposal. I guess then I would have to morph it into more of a free army of the Tau's. Like we would support them and everything and be voluntary and everything (terrible grammar). But, essentially like what the LPI is to the LN (crude example) but you get the point.

Also, I don't see why all the factions in the Taus would simply bend over and allow a small group of idealists who have little economical and military power dictate what they would and would not do, and levy fines upon them.

Once again, we wouldn't. The fines are meant to make sure people don't go off and get in tussles. *walks of saying, Peace Peace Peace.*

Anyways, where does one go about buying a generic military ID these days?

I believe a couple freeport might sell them.... If I'm wrong then.... Freelancer ID, seeing as we are volunteer, and merc is $$$.

Also, PLEASE PLEASE fix the spelling of "Independent" in the title. It's kind of a pet peeve.

Fixed.

As far as outcast. We're going to look the other way time being.
1) We don't need war with 3 houses.
2) How can you police the Taus when they aren't yours?

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<div align="right">~R Fang</div>

[sovereign]

Rather than creating a Tau Republic, (reasons explained by previous people, the residents of the Taus go there to be free rather than to have their own particular gov't) if you want to clear out the Taus of other people's sovereignty, I would suggest a sort of militia that would try to clean house from the KNF, BAF, Outcasts... fancy that, Corsair diplomacy just about fits the bill. Colonials have basically the same diplomacy as well (not getting into the debate about their NPC alignment here, that's a subject for another day), although they're rather less hostile to the KNF. (Read: drinking buddies).

What I imagine is a radical group of Zoners or IMG who are miffed about heading out to the Taus in the name of freedom and then finding the BAF and KNF occupying what used to be "free". Considering the already severe diplomacy problems of the IMG because of non-IMG using their NPC affiliation, that wouldn't be terribly kind to add to their troubles, so perhaps "militarized Zoners", oxymoronic as it is, would be your best bet. While the main body of Zoners would of course condemn your actions, they're Zoners. Enough cabbage pie for all and you might even get use of the full shipline. Mainly, I would expect you to concentrate your efforts on A) waylaying any and all military operations in Tau space and B) convincing the main body of Zoners that you are acting in their best interests. C) would be making sure you are careful enough not to draw backlash at the non-you Zoners.

In short, I love the idea, but you'll need to be careful. Be prepared for some tricky diplomacy, the odd OOC flamefests, and the realization that Zoners really don't have military caliber hardware. Also be prepared to make a lot of compromises, you're the underdog here. If you pull it off, though, this could be a fantastic faction. Best of luck to you, feel free to bounce things off me if you want advice.

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[DearMatthew]

Rather than creating a Tau Republic, (reasons explained by previous people, the residents of the Taus go there to be free rather than to have their own particular gov't) if you want to clear out the Taus of other people's sovereignty, I would suggest a sort of militia that would try to clean house from the KNF, BAF, Outcasts... fancy that, Corsair diplomacy just about fits the bill. Colonials have basically the same diplomacy as well (not getting into the debate about their NPC alignment here, that's a subject for another day), although they're rather less hostile to the KNF. (Read: drinking buddies).

What I imagine is a radical group of Zoners or IMG who are miffed about heading out to the Taus in the name of freedom and then finding the BAF and KNF occupying what used to be "free". Considering the already severe diplomacy problems of the IMG because of non-IMG using their NPC affiliation, that wouldn't be terribly kind to add to their troubles, so perhaps "militarized Zoners", oxymoronic as it is, would be your best bet. While the main body of Zoners would of course condemn your actions, they're Zoners. Enough cabbage pie for all and you might even get use of the full shipline. Mainly, I would expect you to concentrate your efforts on A) waylaying any and all military operations in Tau space and B) convincing the main body of Zoners that you are acting in their best interests. C) would be making sure you are careful enough not to draw backlash at the non-you Zoners.

In short, I love the idea, but you'll need to be careful. Be prepared for some tricky diplomacy, the odd OOC flamefests, and the realization that Zoners really don't have military caliber hardware. Also be prepared to make a lot of compromises, you're the underdog here. If you pull it off, though, this could be a fantastic faction. Best of luck to you, feel free to bounce things off me if you want advice.

I agree almost 90%. The reason for the military ID is I don't want to funk with Zoner/IMG diplomacy. And along the lines of a government. Our only single duty would be to protect the Taus. We would lease undeveloped space to various companies and use that money to pay for ships and bases. The players would be all volunteer. So it's more like set up a government to help pay for the army, rather than set up a government to be like a normal government. No taxes, contraband or regulations. Essentially free. We're just there to protect and make sure the Taus are safe.
Remember though it is in our interest to set up a government. Not exactly going to happen. I'm not sure about outcast unless they are harassing the local civilians, but the majority seemed to content with cardi smuggling. Kind of the you don't bother us and we won't bother you deal.
In a sense it is a militia.
But thank you for the comment! And indeed, hit me up with more concerns

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<div align="right">~R Fang</div>