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(06-19-2025, 01:02 AM)Zephyranthes Wrote: Yeah although I agree with it in principle, I think casually enforcing this is gonna be kinda difficult.
Thankfully you can pretty much tell at a glance because 90% of the SlopGPT garbage is the exact same. And if there's doubt, then there will probably just be no action taken, as stated in the OP.
I like the rule change. While some might think thay tool assisted roleplay is "better," I disagree with that on every level simply because automating your writing is the exact opposite of playing a role. It's equivalent to claiming you go to gym because you placed a custom order gnome you described on a bench. Gnomes can't roleplay for you, because roleplayers practice the hobby to interact with other people and your gnome sure as fuck can't lift bro, get a grip.
(06-18-2025, 11:23 PM)Haste Wrote: This is a deeply controversial issue online - especially in roleplay communities like this one, where the use of generated content is often seen as low effort, and demeaning of other player's contributions.
(02-04-2007, 02:31 PM)Discovery Community Forum and Server Rules Wrote: 1.1.3 - Generating roleplay or posts through a prompt to AI writing tools is not allowed. These tools can be used to proof-read or edit a post you have written, but not to create roleplay wholesale. AI generated images must not be distracting or low quality, i.e. containing warped text, obviously incorrect human biology, or prominent generation artifacts.
We appreciate that many people are not confident in their English skills, and use AI to proofread or edit their posts. This rule does not impact that kind of use. The roleplay in those situations is still written by you, and continues to have your distinctive style and voice as an author.
What is not acceptable is outlining what you want in a prompt and having an AI generate the text for you. It is often very obvious when this has been done, as most large language models write in a very distinctive style and have particular "tells".
In cases where the origin of text is ambiguous, staff will err towards the benefit of the doubt. Despite that, clearly AI generated text will be removed going forward. Applications for SRPs or other rewards that rely on generated text will be refused immediately.
These are my questions @Haste I expect your answering to them
Q1: If a player rewrites 50% of an AI-drafted scene, is that “still AI-generated”?
Q2: How do staff make that determination technically — do they use tools, or is it just based on “feel”?
Q3: Are players with dyslexia, autism, non-native English fluency, or other limitations expected to write the same as fluent authors?
Q4: Isn’t this exclusionary to players who rely on AI to write creatively in English?
Q5: If I can use AI to edit a paragraph, but not write it, what is the actual difference if I still control the intent, plot, and character arc?
Q6: What about co-writing? Outlining? Brainstorming? At what point does “help” become “cheating”?
Q7: If the text “sounds AI-generated” but the user insists it’s theirs — what evidence is used?
(06-18-2025, 11:23 PM)Haste Wrote: This is a deeply controversial issue online - especially in roleplay communities like this one, where the use of generated content is often seen as low effort, and demeaning of other player's contributions.
(02-04-2007, 02:31 PM)Discovery Community Forum and Server Rules Wrote: 1.1.3 - Generating roleplay or posts through a prompt to AI writing tools is not allowed. These tools can be used to proof-read or edit a post you have written, but not to create roleplay wholesale. AI generated images must not be distracting or low quality, i.e. containing warped text, obviously incorrect human biology, or prominent generation artifacts.
We appreciate that many people are not confident in their English skills, and use AI to proofread or edit their posts. This rule does not impact that kind of use. The roleplay in those situations is still written by you, and continues to have your distinctive style and voice as an author.
What is not acceptable is outlining what you want in a prompt and having an AI generate the text for you. It is often very obvious when this has been done, as most large language models write in a very distinctive style and have particular "tells".
In cases where the origin of text is ambiguous, staff will err towards the benefit of the doubt. Despite that, clearly AI generated text will be removed going forward. Applications for SRPs or other rewards that rely on generated text will be refused immediately.
These are my questions @Haste I expect your answering to them
Q1: If a player rewrites 50% of an AI-drafted scene, is that “still AI-generated”?
Q2: How do staff make that determination technically — do they use tools, or is it just based on “feel”?
Q3: Are players with dyslexia, autism, non-native English fluency, or other limitations expected to write the same as fluent authors?
Q4: Isn’t this exclusionary to players who rely on AI to write creatively in English?
Q5: If I can use AI to edit a paragraph, but not write it, what is the actual difference if I still control the intent, plot, and character arc?
Q6: What about co-writing? Outlining? Brainstorming? At what point does “help” become “cheating”?
Q7: If the text “sounds AI-generated” but the user insists it’s theirs — what evidence is used?
A1: Yes.
A2: If you can't spot text that is blatantly AI-generated with next to no actual input from the player posting it, then it's either not AI-generated or you have a skill issue.
A3: No. Nobody is expected to write at the same level as anybody else, so long as the minimum expectation of "you're actually putting in your own best effort and the result is mostly intelligible" is meaningfully met. If you actually read the OP, you would have noticed that AI is explicitly permitted as an aid for players who struggle to write competent English for whatever reason. We have many dyslexic players, autistic players (I'm one of them), ESL players, players with other limitations, and players with various combinations of all these conditions. Some use AI in an assistive capacity and some do not. It is up to you whether you use AI to help you or not, but as a piece of personal advice, it is probably unwise for your personal development to lean on it so heavily that you fail to improve your own actual skill at writing.
A4: No. Writing and using AI as a tool to assist you for grammar and fluency is fine, as stated in the OP. Having ChatGPT barf out ten paragraphs of nonsense for you and putting zero effort in besides slotting it into your preferred bbcode is not a creative endeavour, and is what this new rule explicitly prohibits.
A5: If you use AI to edit your writing, to proofread your work, to ensure your syntax is correct and fully intelligible to natives, then it is still your writing, but if you have the entire post written by AI, then you have written nothing and exerted no effort. A roleplaying community necessarily entails creative effort on your part. See A4.
A6: If your own stories with no outside help editing or proofreading them have some grammatical and spelling mistakes here and there, and indicate only a moderate knowledge of English vocabulary, but after going to AI for help (or "help") your posts seem like they were written by Tolkien, there is probably a problem. If you need further clarification on this point, see A4 and A5.
(06-18-2025, 11:23 PM)Haste Wrote: This is a deeply controversial issue online - especially in roleplay communities like this one, where the use of generated content is often seen as low effort, and demeaning of other player's contributions.
(02-04-2007, 02:31 PM)Discovery Community Forum and Server Rules Wrote: 1.1.3 - Generating roleplay or posts through a prompt to AI writing tools is not allowed. These tools can be used to proof-read or edit a post you have written, but not to create roleplay wholesale. AI generated images must not be distracting or low quality, i.e. containing warped text, obviously incorrect human biology, or prominent generation artifacts.
We appreciate that many people are not confident in their English skills, and use AI to proofread or edit their posts. This rule does not impact that kind of use. The roleplay in those situations is still written by you, and continues to have your distinctive style and voice as an author.
What is not acceptable is outlining what you want in a prompt and having an AI generate the text for you. It is often very obvious when this has been done, as most large language models write in a very distinctive style and have particular "tells".
In cases where the origin of text is ambiguous, staff will err towards the benefit of the doubt. Despite that, clearly AI generated text will be removed going forward. Applications for SRPs or other rewards that rely on generated text will be refused immediately.
Now i will write my own questioning to @Haste itself, as she seems kinda emotionated to answer as per post "If you have any questions about this policy, please ask in this thread."
Question 1: What percentage of a post must be AI-generated for it to be "removed"?
Question 2: If I describe a scene to ChatGPT and use its suggestions as creative input is that a violation?
Question 3: Are logs, drafts, or recordings accepted to defend someone’s authorship?
Question 4: Isn't punishing a player for using tools that help them participate … kind of a dick move (making staff rule violation Rule "1.0 - Don't be a dick. It's a game, try to keep it fun for everyone playing it. Behavior that falls within the technical letter of the rules but not the spirit won't be tolerated."?
Question 5: Isn’t the point of RP to build immersion and fun?
Question 6: If nobody was hurt or godmodded, who loses?
Question 7: If so, isn’t it hypocritical to allow AI tools in asset development but forbid them in text development?
Question 8: Many new players struggle with writing, especially in detailed RP-heavy communities. Wouldn’t this rule scare them off? (I remember myself doing RP with "@Lord Helmchen" and some people know, her exquisite very long RP to even amaze myself, i burn out leaving out of ideas, even told to Caitlyn what was actually trusting, it does not scary me, and gladly have satisfaction of do something, but not expected such load, to get out of ideas or even get burned out, gladly, a friendship i can write with errors and so relaxed a bit, but this don't happen with "other people" as they expect nothing less than perfection, others does not care as long you follow up the story, what happen on those cases?
Question 9: What outreach or support exists to help them write instead of just punishing them?
Question 10: Why not let players label “AI-assisted” work transparently, like creative commons?
Question 11: Why not develop guidelines instead of blankets punishments? (Well, personally i don't expect a guideline, as not even rules are well written and almost everything falls on "Rule Violation 1.0")
Question 12: Shouldn’t there be a fair process or ticket system to review cases rather than deleting things silently?
Question 13: If my “style” resembles AI, does that mean I’ll be punished even if I wrote it all myself?
Question 14: How does the community expect emotional or narrative expression to flourish when the RP space is increasingly treated as “crystal-fragile” where even slight tonal shifts, emotional depth, or misunderstood metaphors are seen as harassment or threats?
Question 15: Many of us pour intense effort, emotions, and creativity into our RP. Some of us, like myself, go beyond our language abilities and use AI tools not to cheat, but to translate our feelings, to fine-tune misunderstandings, and to bridge cultural or tone gaps that are often misinterpreted by others. (Which is pretty common)
Question 16: If people consistently interpret emotional or metaphorical posts as offensive or “too much,” should the solution really be to suppress those styles and punish people not using tools to refine them?
Question 17: Shouldn’t the answer be more tolerance and literacy for emotional expression not less freedom and less writing unless it’s “perfect English”? (Because staff seems to prefer perfect english actually, even if that means kill the rest of community we are left)
Question 18: Are we creating a space where only cold, technical, sterilized roleplay survives? That would leave many passionate players feeling erased or worse, banned for simply being misunderstood. (Sadly, you want even my own characters behave specifically like is supposed and not as i wanted to behave, narrowed down like robots, so, if those gonna be robots, then AI makes no sense, till i recover my own freedom of make Freyja's work as she desires filled with emotions and so and not "emotion-less-robotic-bahaviour" maybe later we can talk about the AI things ...
Question 19: What if i am RP'ing an AI Character, does that means i cannot use AI? my gods ...
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I expect your answers, dear Haste. Not vague gestures or staff echo chambers real, concrete answers. I expect every question here to be addressed, one by one, with clarity and without that usual fog of vague ‘staff consensus’ that leaves players guessing what's actually allowed. If your rules are meant to guide us not silence us then prove it. Show the community that even a lone player’s voice deserves the dignity of full understanding, not just enforcement. This is your moment to show transparency over authority, explanation over exile. Let’s see if those rules truly have spirit or if they’re just a mask for selective silencing.
(That last text bolded, with AI, or surely you will feel "threatened, so i use the AI to soften but keep it straight to the point, questions taken from my own writting!)
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(06-19-2025, 03:05 AM)Tenshi Kuonji Wrote: What percentage of a post must be AI-generated for it to be "removed"?
Asking the hard to quantify questions. What does it matter if the post is 69% AI and then 70% is too much? I believe the staff will take action if it's clearly AI.
(06-19-2025, 03:05 AM)Tenshi Kuonji Wrote: If I describe a scene to ChatGPT and use its suggestions as creative input is that a violation?
From Haste's wording, it suggests using AI as an aiding tool is allowed.
(06-19-2025, 03:05 AM)Tenshi Kuonji Wrote: Isn't punishing a player for using tools that help them participate … kind of a dick move
There's a difference between having AI allow or aid your participation vs having AI participate for you. The latter is why this rule is being implemented in my opinion.
(06-19-2025, 03:05 AM)Tenshi Kuonji Wrote: Isn’t the point of RP to build immersion and fun?
Yes, by the players who play the game. Not by some service that writes for you.
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I'm starting to see a pattern here. Either it's pushing boundaries so you know where the line is, or you didn't really read the post.